Originally posted by scherzoNice! but i for one would love a short elaboration
[b]Not having read the Quran, tell me if I am wrong in thinking that the Quran says it is right, and maybe even obligatory, to kill the infidel?
You are wrong. The Qur'an condemns all physical violence in God's name.
Is this a common misconception?
Yes, mostly made by non-Muslims and people who pretend to be Muslims.[/b]
(have you read any of the Quran?)
Originally posted by karoly aczelI have read the entire Qur'an.
Nice! but i for one would love a short elaboration
(have you read any of the Quran?)
http://www.mediamonitors.net/elmasry31.html
"Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom." (6:151)
"Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly, We allow his heir but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to taking life, for he is helped." (17:33).
Originally posted by scherzoyou replied to me so distinclty!
Then show it to me. Do you see any distinction between losing an argument and conceding a point of view?
so... Do you not think Allah would want you to be able to lose an arguement And concede a point of view?
Are you not a man of no divisions?
Originally posted by scherzoI do.
Then show it to me. Do you see any distinction between losing an argument and conceding a point of view?
I think you were beaten, so in order to keep your pride and honor you're saying you changed your mind.
That's Ok scherzo, there is nothing to be ashamed about, we're all big boys and girls here.
Originally posted by scherzoIt seems to me that both these quotations open the way for the problems we see - the Holy Wars, which are "justified" by the word "except".
"Do not take life.....except through justice and the law. " (6:151)
"Do not take life ..... except for a just cause. " (17:33).
So the only difference between those that "bear the West no ill will" and those that do, lies in that one word, "except", which basically is a point of view and matter of opinion.
Originally posted by CalJustEr, no. It's the word of God.
It seems to me that both these quotations open the way for the problems we see - the Holy Wars, which are "justified" by the word "except".
So the only difference between those that "bear the West no ill will" and those that do, lies in that one word, "except", which basically is a point of view and matter of opinion.