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Originally posted by RJHindsThe Interval of time is completely unspecified. No one knows how long a time elapsed. We certianly don't know from the Bible.
I see no problem with this Gap Fact and the young earth creationists ideas that the earth, as we know it being prepared for life, was made that way a little over 6,ooo years ago. All the plants and animals and mankind were also created a little over 6,ooo years ago. So the Gap Fact is acceptable, because it does not really change any of the core beliefs of ...[text shortened]... en he gets carried away with speculations. So I must reject that interpretation as being false.
And objections you have, if you wish, you may be specific about. But don't link me to anything. In your own words, if you wish, you may spell out your specific objections. Perhaps I can answer them.
I request theat you just refer to your Bible interpretation objections.
Originally posted by jaywillour stance has always been that the length of creative days is unspecified, we know
The Interval of time is completely unspecified. No one knows how long a time elapsed. We certianly don't know from the Bible.
And objections you have, if you wish, you may be [b]specific about. But don't link me to anything. In your own words, if you wish, you may spell out your specific objections. Perhaps I can answer them.
I request theat you just refer to your Bible interpretation objections. [/b]
this because the apostle Paul makes reference in Hebrews to entering into Gods rest,
some thousands of years after God desisted from creating, the implication being that
Gods rest day was still ongoing in Paul's time and ours.
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Originally posted by RJHinds
Proof that the Earth is not 6,000 years old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NK-Nvs8CFI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=5CgXfkEGxE0&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=5CgXfkEGxE0&NR=1
The music score on the second one was good.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
our stance has always been that the length of creative days is unspecified, we know
this because the apostle Paul makes reference in Hebrews to entering into Gods rest,
some thousands of years after God desisted from creating, the implication being that
Gods rest day was still ongoing in Paul's time and ours.
our stance has always been that the length of creative days is unspecified, we know this because the apostle Paul makes reference in Hebrews to entering into Gods rest, some thousands of years after God desisted from creating, the implication being that Gods rest day was still ongoing in Paul's time and ours.
I may come back to this.
I first would like to see RJH's biblical problems with a very ancient planet earth.
Originally posted by jaywillWhat interval of time are you talking about that is unspecified? There are many intervals of time that are specified all the way down to the Crucifixion of day of Christ.
The Interval of time is completely unspecified. No one knows how long a time elapsed. We certianly don't know from the Bible.
And objections you have, if you wish, you may be [b]specific about. But don't link me to anything. In your own words, if you wish, you may spell out your specific objections. Perhaps I can answer them.
I request theat you just refer to your Bible interpretation objections. [/b]
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Originally posted by RJHindsThe Gap interpretation states an unspecified interval between the time God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning and the start of the seven days of Genesis 1.
What interval of time are you talking about that is unspecified? There are many intervals of time that are specified all the way down to the Crucifixion of day of Christ.
Unspecified interval of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.
An unknown duration of time. Conceivably thousands. Conceivably millions or more. That is a GAP of unspecified time between verse 1 and verse 2. At present that is what I am persuaded of.
Originally posted by jaywillOkay, I can go along with that. But I do not see how that should effect my YEC view that the Earth has only been prepared for life for a little over 6,000 years ago and that life has only been on the Earth a little over 6,000 years ago.
The Gap interpretation states an unspecified interval between the time God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning and the start of the seven days of Genesis 1.
Unspecified interval of time between [b]Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.
An unknown duration of time. Conceivably thousands. Conceivably millions or more. That is a GAP of unspecified time between verse 1 and verse 2. At present that is what I am persuaded of.[/b]
Am I missing something?
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Originally posted by RJHindsNo. Just being a little light in mood.
Is that all you got from that video, the music?
I listened to the points. But there have been a couple of videos and I lose tract sometimes.
It seems to me that one you posted was atypical for a YEC. Perhaps you were trying to show that your views are nuanced.
That one about the old mountains in Quebec was an Old Earth persuasion. I was surprised that you posted it. Was it a mistake ?
Proof that the Earth is not 6,000 years old
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RJH, what I would like you to do is for the moment put aside moon dust, radiometric dating, Grand Canyon, the speed of light, starlight, the salt in the ocean, etc. etc.
Just give me your BIBLICAL reasoning that Young Earth is the way to interpret the Bible.
Just your biblical logic is what I seek right now.
Originally posted by jaywillOriginally posted by SwissGambit
RJH, what I would like you to do is for the moment put aside moon dust, radiometric dating, Grand Canyon, the speed of light, starlight, the salt in the ocean, etc. etc.
Just give me your BIBLICAL reasoning that Young Earth is the way to interpret the Bible.
Just your biblical logic is what I seek right now.
I read it like this:
God creates the heavens and the formless earth covered by water.
God hovers over the waters for an indeterminate time.
God creates light and separates it from darkness. Only now does Day 1 begin.
The 6 days of Gen 2 refer to completion of the work started at the creation of light. They don't specify how long any events before that took.
This is my reply:
You are reading it wrong. Let's look at it again.
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.
Genesis 2:1-2 NASB)
In the beginning of God's work He created the heavens and the Earth. (Genesis 1:1) Notice that Genesis 2:1-2 refers back to this work of creation in which it includes the heavens and the Earth. It states that by the seventh day God had completed all His work, so he just rested that final day.
So from Genesis 2 we know that the creation of the heavens and the Earth and light was all on the first day, because everything, including the Earth was completed by the beginning of the seventh day. There is no statement that there was any long time period between the creation of the heavens and the earth and light. It is all said to have happened in one day. Genesis 2 forbids any other interpretation.
Everything, including the Earth, was created (or made) in six days and God rested on the seventh day.
Check out my whole thread called:
Proof God Created The Earth In One Day
I can except that there might have been a period, before the counting of the first day, that all the atoms and and material used to make the earth, sun, moon, and stars were created. Then the six days would be explaining specifically what was formed and created from these materials on each of those days.
I have already explained how God has proved those days were actually 24 hour days as we understand a day to be today, somewhere within the last week; but I will not go into that now, in order to keep this post from being too long.