Originally posted by TheSkipperOr a little of both maybe!
This is certainly becoming a recurring theme with you, and you either aren't articulating it well or one of us is wildly stupid. 😉
Do you ever rate the validity of two ideas? For instance is the theory of relativity any more valid in your mind than the existence of the Easter Bunny? Basically, are some ideas better (more accurate, better supported with evidence etc etc) than others? Are all ideas and/or beliefs equally valid in your mind?
When discussing evolution or the age of the earth without fail I get
God thrown in my face by those that do not believe in God as if that
some how makes their beliefs more real. My point goes back to the
same thing when you have 'faith' it is 'faith' be it in God or be it in
something else. Simply pointing out I have faith in God which I admit
I do have, does not void the fact that others also have faith in how
they view the universe from when or how they 'believe' it started
to how old it is, or how life works and so on.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayII think you must be working under the premise that if you say something enough times, it will become true.
Or a little of both maybe!
When discussing evolution or the age of the earth without fail I get
God thrown in my face by those that do not believe in God as if that
some how makes their beliefs more real. My point goes back to the
same thing when you have 'faith' it is 'faith' be it in God or be it in
something else. Simply pointing out I have faith ...[text shortened]... en or how they 'believe' it started
to how old it is, or how life works and so on.
Kelly
I have been reading through these forums a lot recently, and I see you bring up the same argument that nobody's "beliefs" are more justifiable than anyone else's over and over again. On every thread, someone shoots down this idea and shows it to be false, even by your own standards. Yet you simply reassert the same idea in the next thread. I think many people are justifiably frustrated by this tactic, and wonder what possesses you to continue posting this nonsense.
Originally posted by scottishinnzPresuming that Einstein's theory of relativity is the only factor influencing the accuracy of radiometric dating (which is obviously not true), are you trying to say that you are absolutely 100% sure that Einstein's theory of relativity has no flaws in it?
The theory of relativity has everything to do with it!!! Matter is being transformed into energy, that's what radioactive decay is!!! If the Theory of Relativity isn't the necessary theory for that, well, I don't know what is.....
Originally posted by KellyJayI find it difficult to understand a lot of your posts.
Yes I believe in the death penalty.
You would look at the evidence, come up with what you 'believe'
happened and make a judgment, if it is beyond a reasonable doubt
you convict. You believe that looking at 'evidence' will always lead
you to come up with the facts of the matter, even as far back as two
months ago? You believe that looking pieces of ev ...[text shortened]... t it all right, to the point that you know you
are dealing with facts and not faith?
Kelly
My point is, that you're quite happy to trust science enough to murder another human being, but you don't trust science at all in other matters.
This evidence that you speak of...presumably, you'd include finger prints, DNA matching (either victims or perps), video evidence, etc, etc.
Aren't you placing an awful lot of faith in science there? Is it scientists or people that tell you that finger prints are entirely unique? Is it scientists or people who tell you that DNA is unique? How do you know that the perp in the video doesn't have a twin brother?
My point is, why do you trust science enough to kill somebody, but not enough to believe that the earth is old, as evidenced by numerous scientific bits of evidence.
I guess that you maintain that god made the earth so that it appeared old. This works for you. Would you engage in debate with somebody of a different religion who referenced their religious texts to give a different age of the earth?
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Originally posted by whiteroseNo, that is not what I say; my point is that we are creatures of faith,
II think you must be working under the premise that if you say something enough times, it will become true.
I have been reading through these forums a lot recently, and I see you bring up the same argument that nobody's "beliefs" are more justifiable than anyone else's over and over again. On every thread, someone shoots down this idea and shows it to b ...[text shortened]... frustrated by this tactic, and wonder what possesses you to continue posting this nonsense.
we live in faith. The foundations of how we view the universe is
always faith based, it can be nothing else. When someone claims
that their views are better than another’s; we have to look at the
specifics of those particular views. My complaint against many
here is that they simply bring up God when discussing other topics
with me to make light my point on the topic we are discussing, and
in some cases that is the totality of their argument.
When God is either rejected or accepted that changes the whole of the
universe with how it was put together, why is it, the processes that are
occurring with in it at all levels and so on. The stand people take on
God is foundational to all other points, but simply saying God isn’t
real or God is real as the whole of an argument is lazy and shallow.
If you don't believe you are a creature of faith, do you know for a
how everything came into being, do you know why it is all here, do you
know, or simply accept what you are either told or come up with on
own, and do you rest in that you can not be wrong in your beliefs or
that you are confident in them? Even if you accept the notion that you
are willing to change your views upon any given subject when new
information becomes available that still has you viewing the universe
through a particular point of view at the moment, and that you are
currently confident in is the proper one, you believe you are right and
placing your faith in the things you believe to be true.
Kelly
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Originally posted by RagnorakI never said I'd murder or suport murdering anyone no matter what
I find it difficult to understand a lot of your posts.
My point is, that you're quite happy to trust science enough to murder another human being, but you don't trust science at all in other matters.
This evidence that you speak of...presumably, you'd include finger prints, DNA matching (either victims or perps), video evidence, etc, etc.
Aren't yo religion who referenced their religious texts to give a different age of the earth?
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science says.
Kelly
Originally posted by RagnorakYes, saying I am putting my faith in science on a subject isn't a bad
I find it difficult to understand a lot of your posts.
My point is, that you're quite happy to trust science enough to murder another human being, but you don't trust science at all in other matters.
This evidence that you speak of...presumably, you'd include finger prints, DNA matching (either victims or perps), video evidence, etc, etc.
Aren't yo ...[text shortened]... religion who referenced their religious texts to give a different age of the earth?
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thing by itself, putting your faith in something you trust is normal.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayThere you go contradicting yourself again.
No, that is not what I say; my point is that we are creatures of faith,
we live in faith. The foundations of how we view the universe is
always faith based, it can be nothing else. When someone claims
that their views are better than another’s; we have to look at the
specifics of those particular views. My complaint against many
here is that they simpl ...[text shortened]... you believe you are right and
placing your faith in the things you believe to be true.
Kelly
First you say:
"My complaint against many
here is that they simply bring up God when discussing other topics
with me to make light my point on the topic we are discussing"
Then you follow it directly with:
"When God is either rejected or accepted that changes the whole of the
universe with how it was put together, why is it, the processes that are
occurring with in it at all levels and so on. The stand people take on
God is foundational to all other points"
If in your view God is fundamental to all other points, is it any wonder that people bring up God when discussing other points with you?
Your posts are full of such contradictions. Why bring faith into an argument about evolution if not to try to show how faith in evolution is equally justifiable with faith in creationism? Do you think this is the case? If not, stop posting this faith nonsense as it doesn't add to the discussion. If so, answer all the problems with your faith based worldview before you post it again. We're off to a good start in this thread already. Why are you willing to kill someone based solely on scientific evidence but refuse to acknowledge the validity of a theory based on scientific evidence?
Originally posted by whiterose"Why bring faith into an argument about evolution if not to try to show how faith in evolution is equally justifiable with faith in creationism?"
There you go contradicting yourself again.
First you say:
"My complaint against many
here is that they simply bring up God when discussing other topics
with me to make light my point on the topic we are discussing"
Then you follow it directly with:
"When God is either rejected or accepted that changes the whole of the
universe with how it was put ...[text shortened]... evidence but refuse to acknowledge the validity of a theory based on scientific evidence?
Depending on what we are talking about with regard to evolution it is
faith, if it is what we see in the here and now that is one thing;
however, saying the evidence means this or that years ago that is all
together is something different. I acknowledge a lot of things people say is true about evolution, just not everything, and some of those
parts I point out are filled with faith it doesn’t automatically mean I’m
in disagreement with them. With some I could agree with and some I
may not, simply acknowledging we have to accept something on faith
does not mean that we are saying it isn’t true.
If the attempt to prove me wrong is done by just bringing up my faith
in God, when it doesn’t address the point directly does not add to or
take away from the discussion about a specific topic in evolution, it
simply is just personal which is not speaking to the point.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI'll ask again. Why are you willing to kill someone based solely on scientific evidence but refuse to acknowledge the validity of a theory based on scientific evidence?
"Why bring faith into an argument about evolution if not to try to show how faith in evolution is equally justifiable with faith in creationism?"
Depending on what we are talking about with regard to evolution it is
faith, if it is what we see in the here and now that is one thing;
however, saying the evidence means this or that years ago that is all
...[text shortened]... fic topic in evolution, it
simply is just personal which is not speaking to the point.
Kelly
"if it is what we see in the here and now that is one thing;
however, saying the evidence means this or that years ago that is all
together is something different."
At what point in time does evidence stop being valid?
Originally posted by KellyJayRubbish.
LOL
My knowing better has nothing to do with it, is it bottom line true
or not. You want to "BELIEVE" you have a handle on the truth, you
want to shut up those that disagree with you, I'd say you have a
lot in common with quite a few religious people around the world.
Kelly
You cannot say "these people are wrong about xyz" if you don't know better. You claim that you do.
What I find striking about you Kelly, and I used to think you are a nice guy searching for the truth, now I know you're just here to wail upon science at every opportunity, is the way you belittle science, yet it is science which provides your way of life. The hypocrisy!!
Originally posted by KellyJayWhy do you never assert a point of view?? Why do you only seek to undermine others???
Or a little of both maybe!
When discussing evolution or the age of the earth without fail I get
God thrown in my face by those that do not believe in God as if that
some how makes their beliefs more real. My point goes back to the
same thing when you have 'faith' it is 'faith' be it in God or be it in
something else. Simply pointing out I have faith ...[text shortened]... en or how they 'believe' it started
to how old it is, or how life works and so on.
Kelly
Originally posted by PhuzudakaYou think you know one, so go ahead and publish it.
Presuming that Einstein's theory of relativity is the only factor influencing the accuracy of radiometric dating (which is obviously not true), are you trying to say that you are absolutely 100% sure that Einstein's theory of relativity has no flaws in it?