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Originally posted by whiteroseYou are vague, I told you that your questions are vague, get specific.
Do you acknowledge the validity of the theory of evolution? You state over and over again that evolution is just a "belief" as is creationism, as if this somehow makes them equal.
If you do acknowledge the validity of evolutionary theory then why do you keep making these statements?
I have already said I believe in evolution, just not all of it when it
comes to some of the finer points, so what are you asking? If you
cannot be clear I doubt I'll be able to answer your quesiton.
Kelly
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Originally posted by whiteroseDo you think that looking at evidence will always cause you to
And we go round and round in circles. Your problem with evolution is that you believe it to be based on faith. Here are some posts to back this up:
"What I'm really saying is faith is faith, we are people and we live by it. You can try to say your faith in the logic of some scientist is better
than someone else's faith in God, I don't care! It is stil hat some of them can be called facts. You cannot have it both ways.
understand what you are trying to wrap your brain around so you
can understand X, whatever X is? You don't think you could be
wrong about your conclusions from time to time? If you cannot
see the difference between facts and faith, not my problem. Your
evidence we can call facts more times than not, but that does not
mean that when we can look at them we always know what we
think is true is.
We go around in circles because you want to make claims that are
not really true, but you believed them to be. You believe you have
the truth when it comes to certain subjects, because you have these
facts you look at, which does not mean you do, if you answered yes
to the possibility of getting them wrong from time to time. The more
chances we have of getting something wrong the greater the faith
involved in accepting something is true, when we could be wrong
about it. So when you want to tell me evolution is true, and it means
that all life came from a singular simple life form at the beginning of
all life, I’d say that is a lot of faith on your part, just by looking at
the evidence we see around us today.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayAnd you reiterate your arguement yet again, without answering my questions about it.
Do you think that looking at evidence will always cause you to
understand what you are trying to wrap your brain around so you
can understand X, whatever X is? You don't think you could be
wrong about your conclusions from time to time? If you cannot
see the difference between facts and faith, not my problem. Your
evidence we can call facts more times ...[text shortened]... is a lot of faith on your part, just by looking at
the evidence we see around us today.
Kelly
I'll ask again, maybe you can actually read my post and answer the questions this time.
So what is a fact? If "faith is faith" and "evidence has belief and faith wraped up in the description" then there can be no facts and and you certainly cannot call what you went through yesterday a 'fact', nor can you say that anything is real.
"If you cannot see the difference between facts and faith, not my problem."
How about you define what a fact is, because according to your previous definition of faith they don't exist.
Originally posted by KellyJayDefine "fact"
You are vague, I told you that your questions are vague, get specific.
I have already said I believe in evolution, just not all of it when it
comes to some of the finer points, so what are you asking? If you
cannot be clear I doubt I'll be able to answer your quesiton.
Kelly
Is that specific enough for you?
Originally posted by KellyJayBut you do not believe that you can ever know whether a fact is a fact as that would only be belief.
I'm sorry I have a life and don't get to this place as much as you.
I would call a fact something within reality, be it an event, an item,
or something along that vein.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayI believe it to be a fact. But as you have repeatedly claimed that we can never know whether anything is really a fact then we must simply have faith that it is a fact. But my faith that the earth is over a billion years old is as strong as my faith that yesterday happened which is another possible fact that I cannot confirm but must merely have faith in.
Is the earth billions of years old or older, is that a fact or a matter of
belief?
Kelly
Originally posted by AThousandYoungTrue, but then he goes and says things like "If you cannot see the difference between facts and faith, not my problem." as if there is some clear cut distinction beween the two that only he can see.
Probably. It might not be though. By KellyJ's definition, no one can ever know whether something is a fact or not.