Originally posted by juktoonNo you don't. You have plenty of bits of information about what you believe to be facts. You cant prove they are facts.
the earth is about 6000years old, evolution isn't true, i have plenty of facts to prove this
But you are welcome to present one item that you claim is a fact that supports your belief that the earth is about 6000 years old.
I am sure we would all be entertained.
Originally posted by twhiteheadDo you have any facts to suggest that the earth is older than 6000 years?
No you don't. You have plenty of bits of information about what you believe to be facts. You cant prove they are facts.
But you are welcome to present one item that you claim is a fact that supports your belief that the earth is about 6000 years old.
I am sure we would all be entertained.
Originally posted by PhuzudakaYou are not following the discussion. We do not have facts, we only believe things to be fact or not. I for example believe that it is a fact that the earth is over 1 billion years old which if it truly is a fact then it does 'suggest that the earth is older than 6000 years'.
Do you have any facts to suggest that the earth is older than 6000 years?
Originally posted by twhiteheadSo if you don't have facts, it is a matter of faith is it not?
You are not following the discussion. We do not have facts, we only believe things to be fact or not. I for example believe that it is a fact that the earth is over 1 billion years old which if it truly is a fact then it does 'suggest that the earth is older than 6000 years'.
Originally posted by PhuzudakaYes, with the understanding that the 'faith' in question is as explained by Kelly. However as all presumed knowledge is mere faith, my faith that the earth is billions of years old is equivalent to my faith that I exist or that yesterday happened.
So if you don't have facts, it is a matter of faith is it not?
But if we assume for a moment that I do exist and that my basic perception of the world is not all illusion then I can comfortably state that yesterday occurring is fact and that the earth being over a billion years old is fact.
Originally posted by twhiteheadSo yesterday occurring is equivalent to the earth being billions of years old, because you experienced yesterday.
Yes, with the understanding that the 'faith' in question is as explained by Kelly. However as all presumed knowledge is mere faith, my faith that the earth is billions of years old is equivalent to my faith that I exist or that yesterday happened.
But if we assume for a moment that I do exist and that my basic perception of the world is not all illusion ...[text shortened]... te that yesterday occurring is fact and that the earth being over a billion years old is fact.
So you wanna tell me that you are a billion years old?
Originally posted by PhuzudakaNo, but I experienced the earth over a billion years ago. By which I mean the source of my experience was the earth over a billion years ago, the actual perception occurred more recently. But time is relative anyway.
So yesterday occurring is equivalent to the earth being billions of years old, because you experienced yesterday.
So you wanna tell me that you are a billion years old?
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou believe it to be a fact are you sure?
I believe it to be a fact. But as you have repeatedly claimed that we can never know whether anything is really a fact then we must simply have faith that it is a fact. But my faith that the earth is over a billion years old is as strong as my faith that yesterday happened which is another possible fact that I cannot confirm but must merely have faith in.
Kelly
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Originally posted by whiteroseA fact is I have a ten dollar bill in my wallet right now, a belief is
If you define a fact as "something within reality", it is a fact that the earth is billions of years old.
something I cannot know for certain at the moment, you have a great
deal of faith if you want to say it is a fact. You could also be in error
saying it is a fact, but you want to call your beliefs facts, than you
have created a religion.
Kelly
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou experience the earth but not the age of the earth, your
No, but I experienced the earth over a billion years ago. By which I mean the source of my experience was the earth over a billion years ago, the actual perception occurred more recently. But time is relative anyway.
assumptions make you believe you have clue how old it is.
Kelly