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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe "Roman treatment" of slaves - or the 16th century Imperial Spanish treatment of slaves - or the treatment of slaves by the Germans or the Japanese during WW2, for that matter - is not the issue. The comparisons are not the issue. The institution of slavery is the issue. Where is the "law" laid out in the Bible that gives the right to Christians in the 21st century to own slaves?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo, no and no again. Why can you not accept that my opinion of FMF's conduct is different from yours? I'm not "refusing to acknowledge certain self evident facts" at all, that is NOT TRUE. In my opinion, which has precisely the same weight as yours, FMF has been arguing cogently and doggedly, holding a coherent and logically constructed position which is at variance with that which you hold. I'm not 'taking his side' or 'refusing to accept' the truth. I f*****g disagree with you. And frankly, I'm a little irritated with you presuming to tell me what I think. You don't know what I think. And in fact, you're wrong. I doubt you'll admit it as you seem to be fundamentally incapable of perceiving your own logical failings, but take it from me, what you think is going on inside my head, and what is actually going on inside my head, are distinct, separate processes. If I take the time to tell you what I am thinking, you can take my word for it that THAT is what I am thinking.
We are dealing with empirical evidence, the actual matter under discussion is, Christianity and slavery, if you have no interest in the subject then i would be glad that you desists, for as far as i can discern you seem more given to what amounts to pettiness. I have for the record not called you a lair, merely stated that you refuse to acknowledge ...[text shortened]... de with regard to the Bible being a poor source of guidance, either way its nothing to me. Cya.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatlook i am sure someone somewhere cares what you think, the discussion here is Christian attitudes towards slavery.
No, no and no again. Why can you not accept that my opinion of FMF's conduct is different from yours? I'm not "refusing to acknowledge certain self evident facts" at all, that is NOT TRUE. In my opinion, which has precisely the same weight as yours, FMF has been arguing cogently and doggedly, holding a coherent and logically constructed position whic ...[text shortened]... ou what I am thinking, you can take my word for it that THAT is what I am thinking.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe issue is not "Christian attitudes towards slavery", the issue is the basis upon which you claim Christians have a God given right to own slaves.
look i am sure someone somewhere cares what you think, the discussion here is Christian attitudes towards slavery.
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatseriously, I posted a Biblical passage which contained certain principles with regard to the Bibles perspective on slavery have you nothing to say about that? Can you demonstrate how it was poor guidance? anyone, the Bible and slavery, Philemon? Paul, Jesus?
Troll. 1/10 for making me respond.
note: any more references to FMF and his trolling shall be ignored, he's had his fix of attention, his self esteem should be at normal levels by now. 😛
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe "perspective" is not the issue, on what basis was Paul, the author Biblical passage, accepting the right of Philemon to own slaves?
seriously, I posted a Biblical passage which contained certain principles with regard to the Bibles perspective on slavery have you nothing to say about that? Can you demonstrate how it was poor guidance?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSeriously, irrelevant.
seriously, I posted a Biblical passage which contained certain principles with regard to the Bibles perspective on slavery have you nothing to say about that? Can you demonstrate how it was poor guidance? anyone, the Bible and slavery, Philemon? Paul, Jesus?
note: any more references to FMF and his trolling shall be ignored, he's had his fix of attention, his self esteem should be at normal levels by now. 😛
Does the bible provide a moral basis to support slavery?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThey were mere opportunists. And not very serious Christians on top of that.
This of course is not good enough, the mosaic law no longer applied to first century Christians yet the bible clearly documents that some were slaves and some were salve owners.
As for being a slave, many people captured by enemy nations in that time became slaves.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatIt provides guidance to slave owners and slaves, whether you construe this as a moral basis which supports the actual social institution of slavery, I cannot say. Its entirely relevant because every type of slavery is not the same. One could in fact enter servitude voluntarily.
Seriously, irrelevant.
Does the bible provide a moral basis to support slavery?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you construe the 6 sentences of Philemon 10-17 as a moral basis which supports the actual social institution of slavery?
It provides guidance to slave owners and slaves, whether you construe this as a moral basis which supports the actual social institution of slavery, I cannot say.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat I construe it to mean is besides the point.
It provides guidance to slave owners and slaves, whether you construe this as a moral basis which supports the actual social institution of slavery, I cannot say. Its entirely relevant because every type of slavery is not the same. One could in fact enter servitude voluntarily.
Old Testament scripture advocates slavery of an involuntary nature. Do you disagree?
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Originally posted by SuzianneAre you saying that Philemon was not a serous Christian, yet Paul describes him as a beloved brother and a Bible book bears his name, sorry , i find that unacceptable. Peter infact admonishes slaves to render to their master a proper days service! Is Peter also not a very serious Christian?
They were mere opportunists. And not very serious Christians on top of that.
As for being a slave, many people captured by enemy nations in that time became slaves.
(1 Peter 2:18-20) Let house servants be in subjection to [their] owners with all [due] fear, not only to the good and reasonable, but also to those hard to please. For if someone, because of conscience toward God, bears up under grievous things and suffers unjustly, this is an agreeable thing. For what merit is there in it if, when you are sinning and being slapped, you endure it? But if, when you are doing good and you suffer, you endure it, this is a thing agreeable with God.