Are Christians permitted to own slaves?

Originally posted by googlefudge
No we can't move on.

If the mosaic laws ever applied and were ever proscribed or condoned by your god then
that god is liable to be judged by those laws.

Those laws not only condone but advocate slavery.

We recognise that slavery is not, and never was moral.

Thus if your god ever endorsed (let alone authored) the mosaic law then your god wa ...[text shortened]...


Your god is evil. Your holy book proves it.

We are thus lucky it's also non-existent.

You also forget that the Bible was also applied as a history book. Slavery was widespread across the earth in those days, most slaves were taken as "spoils of war". For one people to stand up against slavery during a time when it was a common practice worldwide would make them targets worldwide. Jews already had enough on their plate without giving them that too. I believe slavery was condoned as a concession. I do not believe the Bible actually ever "advocated" it.

My God is not evil. And my holy book proves that. Your "proof" that God is evil simply does not stand. I wish you and your peers would remember that logic fails in the face of reality. Logic says bumblebees cannot fly, either.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
What I construe it to mean is besides the point.

Old Testament scripture advocates slavery of an involuntary nature. Do you disagree?

Yes but we are talking of Christians.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
you know it is not. you simply take the opinion of one of the most fundamentalist and disconnected with reality posters on this website (who happens to be a christian) in order to trigger a response from normal christians/theists/atheists.


yes, fmf, it is wrong to own slaves.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes but we are talking of Christians.

So moral guidance given in the OT is irrelevant to christians?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes but we are talking of Christians.

Where is the "law" laid out in the Bible with which God gives the right to Christians to own slaves?

Originally posted by FMF
This has not been discussed. It is not the topic at hand. I therefore have not failed to "distinguish" anything. The only "emotional" response there has been here is your apparent anger at being forced out into the open about your views on the legitimacy of slavery.

[b]There are many types of modern slavery, from abduction, to sex trafficking, none of which w sex trafficking"? I have not discussed either with you. There has been no "slander".[/b]

This is why I try to stay out of these sorts of threads. Using some form of twisted logic to pick nits.

I don't as a rule like lawyers, either, for many of the same reasons.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
So moral guidance given in the OT is irrelevant to christians?

its a different system, the former being based in mandates, the latter on the exercise of conscience. Principles still apply, but the Law was no longer practised.

Originally posted by Suzianne
This is why I try to stay out of these sorts of threads. Using some form of twisted logic to pick nits.

What are the "nits" you are referring to? Who has been using "twisted logic" on this thread?

Originally posted by Suzianne
This is why I try to stay out of these sorts of threads. Using some form of twisted logic to pick nits.

I don't as a rule like lawyers, either, for many of the same reasons.

You wanna hang those as well?

Originally posted by Suzianne
This is why I try to stay out of these sorts of threads. Using some form of twisted logic to pick nits.

I don't as a rule like lawyers, either, for many of the same reasons.

I prefer the term, strain gnats, its more Biblical.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its a different system, the former being based in mandates, the latter on the exercise of conscience. Principles still apply, but the Law was no longer practised.

If the old Law no longer applied, where is the new Law laid out?

Originally posted by FMF
First, I don't consider myself to be an atheist. Secondly, it is not me but robbie corrobie who claims that twenty first century Christians are permitted by God to own slaves, in so far as if they are permitted by local secular laws to do so. Do you think that robbie's claim could "turn people against God"?

I doubt it.

The only people he could "turn against God" are already against God.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I prefer the term, strain gnats, its more Biblical.

Indeed.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its a different system, the former being based in mandates, the latter on the exercise of conscience. Principles still apply, but the Law was no longer practised.

So you accept that the moral guidance given in the 'divinely inspired' OT is different from that given in the 'divinely inspired' NT?

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
You wanna hang those as well?

I wouldn't mind saddling them with the same punishment that the guilty people they get off would have received.