Originally posted by SuzianneIf you don't want to discuss or debate anything with me, that's fine Suzianne. You mentioned "meta-game" but I have not given it any thought because I don't see its relevance to the topic in hand, which is the claim that Christians have a God given right to own slaves.
Right, but what you fail to include in your definition of discussion or debate is all the other things you do which make me not want to discuss anything with you.
Originally posted by FMFI do not believe slave ownership is something a Christians should do even if they are permitted to do so.
It would be interesting to hear the thoughts of regular Christian posters such as RJHinds, sonship, sumydid, josephw, KellyJay, Grampy Bobby, whodey, FreakyKBH, divegeester, and others.
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Originally posted by FMFIt is clear Biblically that slavery is suboptimal. Specifically, Moses was sent to "free" the Hebrew people from 400 years of slavery. Also, even though slavery was allowed in Mosaic law, Hebrews who were slaves were to be set free after so many years of service. And lastly, the Sabbath demanded that even slaves have a day off. During that time, the Mosaic law was the most liberal law in regards to slavery in a world dominated by slaves. It was the beginning of change in that regard.
Some serious input from you, speaking as a Christian on this issue, would be more interesting. Philemon 10-17 and 1 Peter 2:18-20 have been cited as proof that Christians have a God given right to own slaves. Do you share this view?
Jesus once said that to sin is to be a slave of sin. If so, we are all slaves to a certain degree. In fact, if there were no sin there would be no slaves.
I view slavery much in the same way I do Jesus teaching about divorce. There are allowances for it, even though it was never something that God wanted for us.
Originally posted by whodeyDoes this "allowance" for slavery mean that Christians in the twenty first century are permitted by God to own slaves [although in reality local secular laws may make the exercise of this right impractical]?
I view slavery much in the same way I do Jesus teaching about divorce. There are allowances for it, even though it was never something that God wanted for us.
Originally posted by whodeyThis thread is not about metaphors using the word "slave" and "slavery". What we are talking about is actual enslavement where one human being owns another. What we are talking about, specifically, is Christians owning slaves. Philemon 10-17 and 1 Peter 2:18-20 have been cited as proof that the right of Christians to do so is God given. Do you concur that these two snippets from the NT text provide the moral basis for slavery?
Jesus once said that to sin is to be a slave of sin. If so, we are all slaves to a certain degree. In fact, if there were no sin there would be no slaves.
Originally posted by RJHindsYou are missing the point of the biblical slavery that God did allow. You basically only owned a slave if he owed you something and could not pay it back. Once paid he was free.
I do not believe slave ownership is something a Christians should do even if they are permitted to do so.
Think outside your box and see the fairness in God instituting this.
If your neighbor stole your car but was caught but could not pay it back or replace it. Why not make him work for you until he has payed his debt?
Now get the point even farther. Not only do you get repaid, you get his services and he would no doubt never do such a thing again nor would others thinking of doing this type crime actually go thru with it.
Think on this if you can....Just imagine if we lived under those laws today and if they were actually inforced?????????
Who knows, you may not even need the guns you so much feel you need now.