Originally posted by sonshipThe real situation is this: The bible was not written or inspired by any god, only men who want to control other men and subjugate women. With that in mind, anything written in your bible (which btw, is full of contradictions in the first place, something if, inspired by a god, would have been edited out but there are no corrections for reality, just a bunch of contradictions, further proof the whole thing was assembled by power hungry despots) anyway, anything in the bible is just the meanderings of power mad men.
I just read 1 Peter 2:18-20.
Which verse teaches the God given right to own slaves?
Verse 18?
Verse 19?
Verse 20?
The combination of two or three of these verses teach your "God given right" to own slaves ?
Expound it out please FMF.
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Originally posted by sonshipThis is the only related evidence that robbie corrobie has presented on this thread.
I 've just read the 8 verses between Philemon 10 - 17.
Which verse or verses prove Paul is teaching a God given right to own slaves?
Verse 10?
Verse 11?
Verse 12?
How about 13,14,15,16 or 17? Which one has your teaching of "God given right" to own slaves ?
Originally posted by sonshipAgain, this is the evidence that robbie corrobie has presented on this thread. Why are you asking me to "expound it out"?
I just read 1 Peter 2:18-20.
Which verse teaches the God given right to own slaves?
Verse 18?
Verse 19?
Verse 20?
The combination of two or three of these verses teach your "God given right" to own slaves ?
Expound it out please FMF.
Originally posted by sonshipThis is the evidence that robbie corrobie has offered. Not me. I don't see why you think that I should offer you any "exegesis". Why don't you tackle him - rather than me - on the claims he has made on behalf of Christians?
Show me how Philemom 10-17 and 1 Peter 2:18-20 are proof that the Christian has a "God given right" to own slaves.
Let me see your exegesis on these passages demonstrating that.
Originally posted by sonship* BUMP for sonship *
The New Testement says that [b]"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God." It is clear from the Bible that all are sinners and all are in need of repentance and salvation in Christ from the guilt of sin and the power of sin.[/b]
Is a Christian owning slaves being sinful?
Originally posted by sonship [on the other thread][re-posted here because this is the thread on which it belongs]
Are you thinking about getting some slaves? You seem very occupied with this matter. lol
This is the forum on which this matter should be discussed, is it not? During the 28 years I considered myself to be a Christian I never once heard a fellow Christian claim that Christians were permitted by God to own slaves. robbie laying out the case as he has done on [this] thread is the first time I have heard any Christian try to justify slavery and argue that it is permitted under the New Covenant. I think it is an interesting topic. It has also interesting to see how much invective has been directed at me for raising it.
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Originally posted by galveston75You are missing the point of the biblical slavery that God did allow. You basically only owned a slave if he owed you something and could not pay it back. Once paid he was free.
You are missing the point of the biblical slavery that God did allow. You basically only owned a slave if he owed you something and could not pay it back. Once paid he was free.
Think outside your box and see the fairness in God instituting this.
If your neighbor stole your car but was caught but could not pay it back or replace it. Why not make him ...[text shortened]... lly inforced?????????
Who knows, you may not even need the guns you so much feel you need now.
While God did condoned this type of slavery that is akin to indentured servitude, God also condoned a type of slavery where slaves were considered permanent property as were any offspring of those slaves. To try to present it as if only "indentured servitude" were condoned is dishonest. From what I gather, this is what the Watchtower Society teaches, so I'm not surprised that you parrot their dishonesty.
To be fair, I've also seen non-JW Christians who have also been dishonest in this way.
Leviticus 25
44‘As for your male and female slaves whom you may have—you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you. 45‘Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession. 46‘You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves.
Originally posted by sonshipFMF doesn't do questions, hes more adept at straining out gnats and quaffing down camels. See how his trolling machinations have grotesquely contorted whether it was permissible that a Christians may be permitted to own slaves to it being a God given right. Oh well.But in the meantime Philemon 10-17 and 1 Peter 2:18-20 are proof that the right of Christians to own slaves is a God given one? Or do you disagree with the claim that robbie has laid out on this thread on behalf of Christians?
Now you'll have to go through a little labor.
Show me how Philemom 10-17 and 1 Peter 2:18-20 are proof tha ...[text shortened]... iven right" to own slaves.
Let me see your exegesis on these passages demonstrating that.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think sonship wants to know how you think Philemon 10-17 and 1 Peter 2:18-20 are in any way proof that the right of Christians to own slaves is a God given one. They are the only two citations you have offered on this thread. sonship asked me, but it is you he should have asked.
FMF doesn't do questions, hes more adept at straining out gnats and quaffing down camels.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo machinations going on here, robbie.
See how [FMF's] trolling machinations have grotesquely contorted whether it was permissible that a Christians may be permitted to own slaves to it being a God given right. Oh well.
You are either saying Christians DO have the right to own slaves as far as your version of God is concerned [i.e. He permits it and does not forbid it], or you are saying Christians do NOT have the right to own slaves as far as God is concerned [i.e. He forbids it and does not permit it].
It is one or the other.
It is perfectly clear that you assert that Christians do have the right and you claim it is rooted in the Bible. Your own stance leaves you very little room for manoeuvre which probably explains why you have resorted to making so many ad hominem remarks.
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Originally posted by FMFBecause of course, you are only here to pound and pound and pound and pound us with your question, even after having been answered many times.
I think sonship wants to know how you think Philemon 10-17 and 1 Peter 2:18-20 are in any way proof that the right of Christians to own slaves is a God given one. They are the only two citations you have offered on this thread. sonship asked me, but it is you he should have asked.
If you're going to even ask about the Philemon and 1 Peter quotes, then be prepared to answer the question of how you think they further your argument. Or maybe shut up about them.
And for God's sake, please stop asking your question after you get an answer.
Yes, this is why I stopped playing your little game. Try using your brain to engage people on the topic instead of going back to the well for the 200th time to re-ask your question.
Originally posted by sonhouseWe know. We get YOUR opinion. We just don't buy that lame, piss-poor excuse anymore.
The real situation is this: The bible was not written or inspired by any god, only men who want to control other men and subjugate women. With that in mind, anything written in your bible (which btw, is full of contradictions in the first place, something if, inspired by a god, would have been edited out but there are no corrections for reality, just a bunc ...[text shortened]... by power hungry despots) anyway, anything in the bible is just the meanderings of power mad men.
If only FMF would be as forthcoming. Or if he would actually acknowledge answers to his questions, without re-asking the question. You know, like a real conversation.