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Originally posted by Rank outsiderAmbivalent is your evaluation my learned friend, the matter seems clear to me 🙂
[b]Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Call it what you will, it still not explicit permission for a Christian to own slaves.
If you had been asked your opinion about slavery in the US, and you had stated that slaves should be obedient, do you think it would be reasonable for me to say, at the very least, that you were not in the anti-slavery camp?
If God is so dead set against slavery, why is he giving such ambivalent messages?[/b]
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI believe that that, if the Government were to restrict the whiskey available in the UK to Bells, and to buy any other was a criminal offence, no Scot should complain.
Ambivalent is your evaluation my learned friend, the matter seems clear to me 🙂
I think this establishes my credentials as a fervent free marketeer when it comes to the manufacturing and sale of whiskey.
Edit : you can sober up before you respond.
🙂
Originally posted by galveston75Let me ask you a question, I know you will not answer, but here goes.
If your son or daughter had comitted a crime against your neighbor, lets say steal their nice new 60" flat screen TV and sold it to another person.
Now that TV is gone but your child was found guilty of this crime and now has to be punished as they should be.
Would you choose 5 years in a prison with all kinds of wonderfull roomies to hang out with for your child, or simply letting that child go live with that neighbor who is a decent person and will treat your child with full respect and care for a time period that will be in compensation for that crime. You know to work it off until paid?
Maybe if you can possible think outside your abhorance of the slavery you assume the Bible is speaking of, which it is not, you just might see some logic here. Maybe? I doubt it.
Now answer my question............................
Would I advise my child to accept a judicial sentence involving community service or something similar in order to make recompense or to compensate a victim specifically instead of a custodial sentence, if possible? Yes. Sure. I think I would.
What does this have to do with humans owning other humans as property, humans buying and selling humans, humans deciding if and when their human property can go free? What does your question have to do with the institution of slavery?
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Originally posted by sonshipDoes your version of God permit you or forbid you, as a Christian, to own slaves?
Yea, I agree slavery is abhorrent. ?
Worse for me, is rejecting the Righteous Son of God who died for me a helpless sinner, that I might be saved. He PAID my dept to the law of God.
I am forgiven because of that. I am free from eternal judgment. Will you join me in saying that me rejecting His loving sacrifice on my guilty behalf, refusing to own Him as my Savior and Lord, is unthinkable also ?
I am not a Christian, sonship.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOn page 2 of this thread you said: First century Christians were permitted to own slaves, there is no denying it, but because i have the honesty and integrity to accept the fact and not hide it he is left with no other recourse but to introduce opinions and perceptions, for clearly the Biblical record is clear.. Where is this permission laid out and where is the moral basis of institution of slavery explained in the New Covenant?
yes but that was under a different covenant with regard to a different people, as i have stated before this covenant ended and a new one was instituted. If you can find an single iota in scripture where a Christian is given permission to own a slave, please do so now and i will be glad to examine the text.
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Originally posted by FMFI retract my statement in its entirety, I can find no evidence, let me repeat that, NO SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE that they were permitted to own slaves, no not a slither of one of your beard hairs worth of evidence. That the more affluent did at one point of course own slaves I cannot deny, but this was a consequence of the social institution of slavery, not because the Bible permitted them and certainly not because it was in your tabloid journalistic style, 'a God given right'. If you can find SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE to the contrary then please produce it.
On page 2 of this thread you said: [b]First century Christians were permitted to own slaves, there is no denying it, but because i have the honesty and integrity to accept the fact and not hide it he is left with no other recourse but to introduce opinions and perceptions, for clearly the Biblical record is clear.. Where is this permission laid out and where is the moral basis of institution of slavery explained in the New Covenant?[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo, to the question "Are Christians permitted to own slaves?"
I retract my statement in its entirety, I can find no evidence, let me repeat that, NO SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE that they were permitted to own slaves, no not a slither of one of your beard hairs worth of evidence. That the more affluent did at one point of course own slaves I cannot deny, but this was a consequence of the social institution of slavery, ...[text shortened]... God given right'. If you can find SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE to the contrary then please produce it.
Your answer is no, right?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's interesting that you have been stonewalling for 22 pages of this thread when asked variations of 'Where in the Bible does it say Christians are permitted by God to own slaves?' - and heaping a fair bit of personal abuse on people for asking it - and now, your answer - finally - is words to the effect of 'Where in the Bible does it say Christians are permitted by God to own slaves?'
indeed, what does it say.
Originally posted by FMFrelevancy to the issue at hand, zilch!
It's interesting that you have been stonewalling for 22 pages of this thread when asked variations of 'Where in the Bible does it say Christians are permitted by God to own slaves?' - and heaping a fair bit of personal abuse on people for asking it - and now, your answer - finally - is words to the effect of 'Where in the Bible does it say Christians are permitted by God to own slaves?'
