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Are people basically good?

Are people basically good?

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You can call me K or you can call me J...but you doesn't has to call me KayJay.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
I said that being good is a 100% goal and anything less is not being good!
But why do you define less than 100% good as "evil" and "wicked"?

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
If you think being okay with a little evil is alright or okay with a little wickedness is being good you are mistaken...
What is "a little evil"?

"Mistaken" about what? I am mistaken about your definition of "evil", is that what you mean?

How does a basically good person have to behave in order to be "okay" according to your personal opinion?

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
I'm calling our whole race less than good, all of us have fallen short of due to our sinful nature.
If it's "sin" ~ and other magical notions that just so happen to appeal to your imagination ~ that you want to talk about, why don't you join some sort of religionist website where your fellow superstitious people hang out and glad-hand each other with assertions and conjecture that provide you with the confirmation bias you need?

I am more interested in talking about real people and the real moral codes that allow them to make their way through their mostly - and basically - good lives?

Yes, I get it: you are a misanthrope; everybody is "evil"; everybody is "wicked"; everybody deserves to be tortured in fire; but you are "forgiven" for it; and you are "saved" by your ideology; and you are "immortal" blah blah blah; I get all that.

Do you really think that I should imbibe your nasty brew of mythology and your profoundly jaundiced outlook and start perceiving all the basically good people around me as "evil" and "wicked"?

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Originally posted by @fmf
What is "a little evil"?

"Mistaken" about what? I am mistaken about your definition of "evil", is that what you mean?

How does a basically good person have to behave in order to be "okay" according to your personal opinion?
Good is either pure or it is corrupted by something not. It is no different with
righteousness, someone who claims to be good and righteous that accepts any evil and
any wickedness isn’t good and righteous.

Can you be a good judge and accept bribes? Lies, anything wrong can corrupt and spoil
that nature in any degree. So when man became corrupt it was through and through, so
we needed something beyond us.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
Good is either pure or it is corrupted by something not. It is no different with
righteousness, someone who claims to be good and righteous that accepts any evil and any wickedness isn’t good and righteous.
So to your way of thinking, 99% good is evil and wicked?


Originally posted by @kellyjay
Can you be a good judge and accept bribes?
No. Why do you ask?


Originally posted by @kellyjay
Lies, anything wrong can corrupt and spoil that nature in any degree. So when man became corrupt it was through and through, so we needed something beyond us.
Give me your definition of "evil".

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Originally posted by @fmf
So to your way of thinking, 99% good is evil and wicked?
Accepting evil and wickedness is just that. The degree that it is accepted really does not
matter, one lie, one act of disobedience and mankind fell. The very next generation the
first murder occurred, and here we are today. Allowing evil in is just that, no matter if it is
1% or 99%, it is still accepting evil over what should have been good. Think about this
that 1% of good that was rejected for evil, spoils everything, break the law in one place
the law is broken regardless where or the severity of it.


Good should never be rejected for evil and anyone who does so isn't concern with good.
Since mankind thinks its good enough, than that shows how bad man is. We accuse
people of the very things we do, we rejoice when someone we disagree with gets harmed
or made to suffer, and we complain when we get harmed or suffer. The race turns on
itself all the time, denouncing people while committing the same crimes.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
Accepting evil and wickedness is just that. The degree that it is accepted really does not
matter, one lie, one act of disobedience and mankind fell. The very next generation the
first murder occurred, and here we are today. Allowing evil in is just that, no matter if it is
1% or 99%, it is still accepting evil over what should have been good. Think abo ...[text shortened]... fer. The race turns on
itself all the time, denouncing people while committing the same crimes.
Doesn't your utterly and seemingly fanatically misanthropic view of your fellow humans render the words "evil" and "wickedness" meaningless as you use them?


Originally posted by @kellyjay
Since mankind thinks its good enough, than that shows how bad man is.
I don't really care "how bad" you claim to be. I'll just take your word for it. If you choose to describe yourself as an "evil" man, I accept that. If you say it is so, then OK.

I don't need to know what "evil" things you do. If you do "evil" things, that is your secret life - I don't want to know.

Perhaps, if you are both "evil" and "wicked" every day of your life ~ as you seem to be claiming ~ then you may not be in a position to discuss 'morality' in a sensible or convincing way.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
Allowing evil in is just that, no matter if it is 1% or 99%, it is still accepting evil over what should have been good. Think about this that 1% of good that was rejected for evil, spoils everything, break the law in one place
the law is broken regardless where or the severity of it.
What is your definition of "evil"?

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Originally posted by @fmf
Doesn't your utterly and seemingly fanatically misanthropic view of your fellow humans render the words "evil" and "wickedness" meaningless as you use them?
No, because I believe there is a good, a real good. The reason I think man is so broken is
because of how Holy I believe God to be. Everyday we are all given so many blessings
from Him, air to breath and so on there isn't anything including our own being that we do
not owe God thanks for. So being at odds with God is being at odds with our creator, the
One that sustains us in everyway, and renews His mercy upon us each day so that we
are cast into judgment for all the evil and wicked things we do. I remind you He does not
need us, nothing about us forces Him to act on our behalf outside of His love for us, and
His longsuffering putting up with our hate and discontentment.


Originally posted by @kellyjay
No, because I believe there is a good, a real good. The reason I think man is so broken is
because of how Holy I believe God to be. Everyday we are all given so many blessings
from Him, air to breath and so on there isn't anything including our own being that we do
not owe God thanks for. So being at odds with God is being at odds with our creator, the ...[text shortened]... outside of His love for us, and
His longsuffering putting up with our hate and discontentment.
These assertions are all irrelevant to people whose have not been distorted by their religionist superstitions. It's a pity you see yourself as "evil".

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Originally posted by @fmf
What is your definition of "evil"?
The absence of good.
A selfishness that distorts what should be done out of love, with whatever is lusted for.
An opposition to what is good and righteous.
Actions taken not out of love but instead lust, greed, and a like.
I guess this scratches the surface.

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