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    17 Jun '07 10:43
    I mean, lets face it. Atheists understand reality not works of fiction. Nuff said!
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    17 Jun '07 11:04
    Originally posted by Gastel
    I mean, lets face it. Atheists understand reality not works of fiction. Nuff said!
    Yea right, like the Big Bang isn't a work that came from between the
    ears of someone.
    Kelly
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    17 Jun '07 11:50
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Yea right, like the Big Bang isn't a work that came from between the
    ears of someone.
    Kelly
    We also know how to say 'I don't know.' You sound just like an achient egyptian saying, 'Yea right, like the sun isn't pushed across the sky by a giant scarab bettle.'
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    17 Jun '07 12:18
    Originally posted by Jake Ellison
    We also know how to say 'I don't know.' You sound just like an achient egyptian saying, 'Yea right, like the sun isn't pushed across the sky by a giant scarab bettle.'
    Cool, but who doesn't know how to say, "I don't know." We all know
    how to say I believe this or that, but some of us think our beliefs are
    facts, there we part company.
    Kelly
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    17 Jun '07 12:34
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Cool, but who doesn't know how to say, "I don't know." We all know
    how to say I believe this or that, but some of us think our beliefs are
    facts, there we part company.
    Kelly
    You don't think your believes are facts?
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    17 Jun '07 12:382 edits
    Originally posted by Jake Ellison
    You don't think your believes are facts?
    My beliefs are beliefs, my faith is faith. A fact is something within
    the realm of reality, which can be accepted as a matter of belief or
    faith, but my beliefs or faith does not change something I believe in
    to be a fact if it really isn't true, no matter how strong my beliefs or
    faith is.
    Kelly
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    17 Jun '07 12:581 edit
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    My beliefs are beliefs, my faith is faith. A fact is something within
    the realm of reality, which can be accepted as a matter of belief or
    faith, but my beliefs or faith does not change something I believe in
    to be a fact if it really isn't true, no matter how strong my beliefs or
    faith is.
    Kelly
    Yes, so you accept that you might be wrong. What do you believe?

    Surely you must think your beliefs are facts. Can you truely believe in something if you accept that you might be wrong? Wouldn't that make you agnostic? I know for a fact that some people believe things that are wrong. I know for a fact that what I believe is right. I also know for a fact that some people know for a fact what I believe is wrong.

    I suppose someone is right and that some things we belive are facts, but you must believe that that person is you. I know I believe its me.
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    17 Jun '07 13:03
    Originally posted by Jake Ellison
    Yes, so you accept that you might be wrong. What do you believe?
    Well yes I accept I may be wrong, and when someone tells me that
    their beliefs are facts, they are saying they are not and can not be
    wrong and what they believe is the truth period. As far as asking what
    I believe it is a question that is to broad, I could wax on and on about
    anything about things I believe, and not touch once something you
    are interested in finding out.
    Kelly
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    17 Jun '07 13:15
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Well yes I accept I may be wrong, and when someone tells me that
    their beliefs are facts, they are saying they are not and can not be
    wrong and what they believe is the truth period. As far as asking what
    I believe it is a question that is to broad, I could wax on and on about
    anything about things I believe, and not touch once something you
    are interested in finding out.
    Kelly
    I meant any spesific faith. I guess your a Christian but I havn't read many of your other posts so I can't be sure.

    I do have a lot of respect for people who accept that their believes may be wrong. At least it alows you to question what you believe and therefore develop your believes. Some poeple are so set in their ways it isn't really worth discussing it with them. I know my believes have changed a lot recently. While I think now that they are fact, I accept that in the future my beliefs could change. I believe what I believe is right, but I know it could be wrong.
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    17 Jun '07 13:42
    Originally posted by Jake Ellison
    I meant any spesific faith. I guess your a Christian but I havn't read many of your other posts so I can't be sure.

    I do have a lot of respect for people who accept that their believes may be wrong. At least it alows you to question what you believe and therefore develop your believes. Some poeple are so set in their ways it isn't really worth discu ...[text shortened]... ure my beliefs could change. I believe what I believe is right, but I know it could be wrong.
    It is a difficult thing to admit your wrong about some beliefs, others
    not so much. I guess it all depends on what 'belief' you are talking
    about, and how important it is to ones foundational views of life in
    general. Yes, I am a Christian.
    Kelly
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    17 Jun '07 13:48
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Yea right, like the Big Bang isn't a work that came from between the
    ears of someone.
    Kelly
    yeah, the big bang is pretty ridiculous.
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    17 Jun '07 13:51
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Yea right, like the Big Bang isn't a work that came from between the
    ears of someone.
    Kelly
    You forgot abiogenesis. Science has no proof as to where matter came from or where life came from. All they can do is say what materials were needed to form life and point to those materials on earth as having formed life much in the way the Bible says that we were created from the dust of the earth. Either belief requires faith since such theories are immune from the scientific method. The only hope of putting the latter theory to the scientific method would be to create life in a lab. All I can say is, good luck with that!!!
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    17 Jun '07 13:55
    Originally posted by whodey
    All they can do is say what materials were needed to form life and point to those materials on earth as having formed life much in the way the Bible says that we were created from the dust of the earth.
    science may have proved that to be true according to you, but what is that proving? that creationism is credible now?
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    17 Jun '07 13:57
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    science may have proved that to be true according to you, but what is that proving? that creationism is credible now?
    Creationism is a matter of faith, you can not test for that.
    Kelly
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    17 Jun '07 13:58
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Creationism is a matter of faith, you can not test for that.
    Kelly
    Ouija boards?
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