17 Jun 07
Originally posted by KellyJayWe also know how to say 'I don't know.' You sound just like an achient egyptian saying, 'Yea right, like the sun isn't pushed across the sky by a giant scarab bettle.'
Yea right, like the Big Bang isn't a work that came from between the
ears of someone.
Kelly
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by Jake EllisonCool, but who doesn't know how to say, "I don't know." We all know
We also know how to say 'I don't know.' You sound just like an achient egyptian saying, 'Yea right, like the sun isn't pushed across the sky by a giant scarab bettle.'
how to say I believe this or that, but some of us think our beliefs are
facts, there we part company.
Kelly
17 Jun 07
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Originally posted by Jake EllisonMy beliefs are beliefs, my faith is faith. A fact is something within
You don't think your believes are facts?
the realm of reality, which can be accepted as a matter of belief or
faith, but my beliefs or faith does not change something I believe in
to be a fact if it really isn't true, no matter how strong my beliefs or
faith is.
Kelly
17 Jun 07
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Originally posted by KellyJayYes, so you accept that you might be wrong. What do you believe?
My beliefs are beliefs, my faith is faith. A fact is something within
the realm of reality, which can be accepted as a matter of belief or
faith, but my beliefs or faith does not change something I believe in
to be a fact if it really isn't true, no matter how strong my beliefs or
faith is.
Kelly
Surely you must think your beliefs are facts. Can you truely believe in something if you accept that you might be wrong? Wouldn't that make you agnostic? I know for a fact that some people believe things that are wrong. I know for a fact that what I believe is right. I also know for a fact that some people know for a fact what I believe is wrong.
I suppose someone is right and that some things we belive are facts, but you must believe that that person is you. I know I believe its me.
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by Jake EllisonWell yes I accept I may be wrong, and when someone tells me that
Yes, so you accept that you might be wrong. What do you believe?
their beliefs are facts, they are saying they are not and can not be
wrong and what they believe is the truth period. As far as asking what
I believe it is a question that is to broad, I could wax on and on about
anything about things I believe, and not touch once something you
are interested in finding out.
Kelly
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by KellyJayI meant any spesific faith. I guess your a Christian but I havn't read many of your other posts so I can't be sure.
Well yes I accept I may be wrong, and when someone tells me that
their beliefs are facts, they are saying they are not and can not be
wrong and what they believe is the truth period. As far as asking what
I believe it is a question that is to broad, I could wax on and on about
anything about things I believe, and not touch once something you
are interested in finding out.
Kelly
I do have a lot of respect for people who accept that their believes may be wrong. At least it alows you to question what you believe and therefore develop your believes. Some poeple are so set in their ways it isn't really worth discussing it with them. I know my believes have changed a lot recently. While I think now that they are fact, I accept that in the future my beliefs could change. I believe what I believe is right, but I know it could be wrong.
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by Jake EllisonIt is a difficult thing to admit your wrong about some beliefs, others
I meant any spesific faith. I guess your a Christian but I havn't read many of your other posts so I can't be sure.
I do have a lot of respect for people who accept that their believes may be wrong. At least it alows you to question what you believe and therefore develop your believes. Some poeple are so set in their ways it isn't really worth discu ...[text shortened]... ure my beliefs could change. I believe what I believe is right, but I know it could be wrong.
not so much. I guess it all depends on what 'belief' you are talking
about, and how important it is to ones foundational views of life in
general. Yes, I am a Christian.
Kelly
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by KellyJayYou forgot abiogenesis. Science has no proof as to where matter came from or where life came from. All they can do is say what materials were needed to form life and point to those materials on earth as having formed life much in the way the Bible says that we were created from the dust of the earth. Either belief requires faith since such theories are immune from the scientific method. The only hope of putting the latter theory to the scientific method would be to create life in a lab. All I can say is, good luck with that!!!
Yea right, like the Big Bang isn't a work that came from between the
ears of someone.
Kelly
17 Jun 07
Originally posted by whodeyscience may have proved that to be true according to you, but what is that proving? that creationism is credible now?
All they can do is say what materials were needed to form life and point to those materials on earth as having formed life much in the way the Bible says that we were created from the dust of the earth.