Originally posted by stellspalfieeven worse if you lived in fracking Scotland
oooh the 1300's lovely....a particular nasty little century. marked by constant wars all around the globe and 70 years of famine in europe. a famine so bad that the average life expectancy fluctuated between 35 and 28!!! and in the last third of the century the black death kicked in, dropping the average life to just 17years, yes just 17 short years, wh ...[text shortened]... probably a good thing if you think about how miserable the average life was during that period.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieso would i be correct in saying you would rather you and your family could live in the 18th and 13th century rather than now?
worse in what sense?
I would have loved to have lived in British India, right up there in Delhi with the Sultan in the red fort, id parade my wives around on elephants like Dalhousie and nobody would think anything of it. Me and the Sultan would compose poems and play chess.
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Originally posted by stellspalfieyes 1800's British India would be fine, beam me back! Make sure its into my hareem of dusky dainties! and load up my opium pipe while you are there, Golden brown texture like sun! Nothing beats British India in a hareem with a loaded opium pipe. Progress, bwahahahahah!
so would i be correct in saying you would rather you and your family could live in the 18th and 13th century rather than now?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobiewell actually the 18th century is the 1700's. you would most likely end up as a poverty stricken, oppressed indian, you would be exploited by your british rulers, making them vast quantities of money while you are paid a pittance. you would have a low life expectancy and a high child mortality rate so its unlikely all your current children would make it. your education would be poor, you would have no social mobility, you would be subject to being treated like a second class citizen, there would be constant wars to be fought, very little in the way of medicine a simple cold could kill you, life would be tough, full of tragedy and thankfully very short...................have fun!!!
yes 1800's British India would be fine, beam me back! Make sure its into my hareem of dusky dainties! and load up my opium pipe while you are there, Golden brown texture like sun! Nothing beats British India in a hareem with a loaded opium pipe. Progress, bwahahahahah!
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Originally posted by stellspalfieWho said anything about being Indian you crazy fool? I would be the British Raj! dear oh dear, i would have silk robes, ruby encrusted goblets, a Moghul palace, a hareem, I would wake up in the morning and eat mangoes fresh from the tree, load up my hooka pipe with some opium straight from Afghanistan and set sail for distant lands! Have fun? Adios gringo! progress, bwahahaha I would live for 120 years, old and satisfied and stoned. My education? I would have attended university with Mills the great philosopher and be fluent in Greek, Latin, Hindi and Farsi. I would have a hareem to produce me copious amounts of children. Tough? You are wired to the moon, it would be awesome!
well actually the 18th century is the 1700's. you would most likely end up as a poverty stricken, oppressed indian, you would be exploited by your british rulers, making them vast quantities of money while you are paid a pittance. you would have a low life expectancy and a high child mortality rate so its unlikely all your current children would make it ...[text shortened]... ou, life would be tough, full of tragedy and thankfully very short...................have fun!!!
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Originally posted by FMFhttp://www.ldolphin.org/popul.html
I think feeding fundamentalists with confirmation bias fodder [from any place on any spectrum] is a form of politics, and a person ~ even if you don't recall who it was ~ who serves people up with spurious 'data' or 'facts' to underpin extreme views is a kind of politician, undoubtedly.
You may find this interesting.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI'll be off the grid soon.
OK, here is a challenge to anybody who thinks that things have gotten worse in the last 100 years. Give up the internet and your computer and smartphone for one week. You will change your mind very quickly.
If you want a real challenge, try giving up electricity for a whole day.
Originally posted by RJHindsAnd probabaly the fact is that the only reason there are not more wars is the threat of nuclear weapons being used if someone really screws up.
There are many things that are better now than in the past. However, today if we were to have another world war, there are many more nations that have nuclear weapons. That fact along with other weapons of mass destruction is likely to make such a war much worse than we have ever had before.
So if ther ruler at N Korea were to twitch and push the button to launch his nuclear weapons at anyone, we all know how fast that could become very bad for millions of people.
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Originally posted by stellspalfieYes you are right on many of those points. But is this all true earth wide? Is it true in every country? Is it true in countrys that can't afford many of these luxuries? Hardly.
[b]And on top of that no one here has come up with any proof that things are better....... Right?
less sexism.
less crime.
less racism.
less homophobia.
better technology.
better healthcare.
longer lives.
better human rights.
better social care.
better food.
less hunger.
less poverty.
less war.
better education.
better medicine.
be ...[text shortened]... d (some cross over, some need to be split, like technology as it has list long list of its own).[/b]
So we all can throw numbers around all day at each other for the good points and the bad that man has done.
This is the point of our condition here on earth and one that will only get worse:
Psalm 146:3-4New International Version (NIV)
3 Do not put your trust in princes,
in human beings, who cannot save.
4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground;
on that very day their plans come to nothing.
Jeremiah 10:23Living Bible (TLB)
23 O Lord, I know it is not within the power of man to map his life and plan his course—
Just look at the plans that previous presidents have made in theis country only to have the current president change them. More unrest in this country now then in the last few decades. Same in Russia and many other countrys.
Why is world peace so elusive?
"Only a government that can change people’s hearts will bring world peace
The Bible points to two main reasons. First, although humans have accomplished marvelous things, they are not created with the ability to direct their own steps. Second, human schemes have failed because “the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one,” Satan the Devil. Thus, human efforts have not been able to bring world peace.—Read Jeremiah 10:23; 1 John 5:19.
Human self-interest and ambition have also made world peace elusive. Only a world government that can teach people to love what is right and care for one another will bring world peace.—Read Isaiah 32:17; 48:18, 22.
Who will establish peace on earth?
Almighty God has promised to establish a single government to rule over all mankind. It will replace human governments. (Daniel 2:44) God’s Son, Jesus, will rule as the Prince of Peace. He will eliminate evil from all the earth and will teach people the way of peace.—Read Isaiah 9:6, 7; 11:4, 9."
Originally posted by stellspalfieYou must be statistically ignorant.
[b]And on top of that no one here has come up with any proof that things are better....... Right?
less sexism.
less crime.
less racism.
less homophobia.
better technology.
better healthcare.
longer lives.
better human rights.
better social care.
better food.
less hunger.
less poverty.
less war.
better education.
better medicine.
be ...[text shortened]... d (some cross over, some need to be split, like technology as it has list long list of its own).[/b]
http://www.wfp.org/hunger/stats
Nearly 1/10 of the worlds population can't get enough to eat.
Over 3 million children die every year of malnutrition.
There's no way we can sustain civilization at the current rate of decline across the board in every category you listed for very much longer. The world is in crisis.
But not for the fat cats.
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Originally posted by galveston75what luxuries? im pretty sure i didnt put any luxuries on the list. the point is that on average the people of the world today have a better existence than in any other century......
Yes you are right on many of those points. But is this all true earth wide? Is it true in every country? Is it true in countrys that can't afford many of these luxuries? Hardly.
So we all can throw numbers around all day at each other for the good points and the bad that man has done.
This is the point of our condition here on earth and one that w ...[text shortened]... nrest in this country now then in the last few decades. Same in Russia and many other countrys.
your assertion is that this is the worst time to be alive. this means you think every other century in history was a better time to be alive. so i challenge you to tell me why being alive in the 1200's is better than life today?
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Originally posted by josephwcan you explain my statistical error? your link doesnt.
You must be statistically ignorant.
http://www.wfp.org/hunger/stats
Nearly 1/10 of the worlds population can't get enough to eat.
Over 3 million children die every year of malnutrition.
There's no way we can sustain civilization at the current rate of decline across the board in every category you listed for very much longer. The world is in crisis.
But not for the fat cats.