Originally posted by RJHinds
[b]Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. Etc., etc.
(Hebrews 11:1-3 NIKJV)
God gives us free will to believ to uproot themselves. If it is against God's will it isn't going to work.
Nothing makes sense in that post. Sounds like mumbo-jumbo.
God gives us free will to believe and have faith in whatever we choose. However, God also informs us in whom we should believe and have faith. IRRELEVANT
You can't be serious to expect a person to tell a mountain to move or a tree to uproot itself and it will happen just like that. Even a mustard seed does not become a big tree quickly, but we believe and have faith that under the right circumstances it eventally will happen. First you say you cant be serious to expect that it will happen but then it will eventually happen ??
In case you missed the point its not about moving mountains. Its about your faith giving you the ability to do what the unfaithful cannot do. If your claim is that you are faithful then what it is that your faith gives you the ability to do along the lines of what Christ himself said.
But .. unfortunately I dont expect a sane answer from you, so I will give you the answer from what Paul said. First you repeatedly say that the you live by faith and you dont need to do good works and you are saved eternally ie you cannot lose your salvation.
Here is what the Bible says:
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. (Heb 10:36-39)
Note the following carefully:
1. The just lives by faith. THE JUST .. not just anyone. [you said that you are a habitual sinner]
2. To drawback is to revert to a sinful lifestyle and the passage clearly says that God has no pleasure in those who drawback.
3. Those who drawback enter into perdition .. thats the opposite of salvation. Clearly then to drawback means that you LOSE YOUR SALVATION. All this about you cannot be unborn or you cannot lose your sonship etc is nonsense.
4. Those who DO GODS WILL will be saved. You dont get saved automatically and immediately and permanently.