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    I googled "best evidence for evolution" and here are two statements I found there.

    http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/340441

    "Well, microevolution has been observed and documented in individual species adaptations, so that's pretty darned solid."

    Solid? Like maybe it proves something? This is an insult to what little intelligence I have.

    "For macroevolution, the fossil record, genetic similarity, etc are all convincing evidence."

    Convincing evidence? How shallow can it get? Here, look into this microscope and see all these things on the head of a pin. Oh ya, fossils. The last time I checked there was no fossil record showing anything remotely resembling evolution. Genetic similarity. Boy, does that sound scientific. What are they talking about? Twins?

    We have an entire universe right before our eyes. It's big. Really big. And all the evidence evolutionary scientists can muster up as proof for evolution can be seen on the head of a pin under a microscope.

    It's all talk.
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    11 Sep '09 18:13
    Originally posted by josephw
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    11 Sep '09 18:27
    Originally posted by black beetle
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    I pushed the wrong button.
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    11 Sep '09 18:50
    Originally posted by josephw
    I googled "best evidence for evolution" and here are two statements I found there.

    http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/340441

    [b]"Well, microevolution has been observed and documented in individual species adaptations, so that's pretty darned solid."


    Solid? Like maybe it proves something? This is an insult to what little intelligence I have.

    " ...[text shortened]... of for evolution can be seen on the head of a pin under a microscope.

    It's all talk.
    You've conveniently forgot to mention all the links provided to back up the statements made in the post your criticizing.

    http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
    http://www.nap.edu/html/creationism/evidence.html
    http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/projects/human/
    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/.../lines_01
    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/.../topicbrowse2.php
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10574901/
    http://www.evolutionpages.com/
    http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/.../...or_evolution5.asp

    But lets be honest. No amount of evidence is going to change your mind.

    The only real question I have for you is why are you so eager to dismiss evolutionary theory? Is it somehow threatening to your spirituality? Do you really think scientists should simply discontinue their efforts and accept the bible as the only possible truth?
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    I really don't understand the outright and stubborn rejection of evolutionary biology that I see here on these forums.

    You want to know what the best evidence is for evolutionary theory?

    Take a look at your parents. Then have a look in the mirror.

    You are a little bit of each of them with your own peculiar variations and this continues on and on to your children then on to your grandchildren.

    All of this is easy to see, easy to verify, easy to trace over a period of time, and is indisputable evidence that there is merit to evolutionary biology.

    What we don't know when you really get down to it is how the universe was created. We know the universe exists and we know that we are a very tiny part of it. We simply don't know how it came to be for certain. We have faith to be sure but not 100% absolute knowledge.
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    11 Sep '09 19:10
    Originally posted by Ullr
    You've conveniently forgot to mention all the links provided to back up the statements made in the post your criticizing.

    http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
    http://www.nap.edu/html/creationism/evidence.html
    http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/projects/human/
    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/.../lines_01
    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/.../topicbrowse2.ph ...[text shortened]... ntists should simply discontinue their efforts and accept the bible as the only possible truth?
    Evidence is what I'm looking for.

    Even if there was evidence for evolution it wouldn't change my mind about God or my faith. If God had created evolution as part of how life came about, and there was sufficient evidence, I'd believe it.

    But that's not the world we live in. There is far more evidence for the reality we face as individuals and communities going on around us to prove that we need God. And the more we force God from our conscientiousness the more desperate our condition becomes.
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    11 Sep '09 19:29
    Originally posted by josephw
    I pushed the wrong button.
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    11 Sep '09 19:32
    Originally posted by josephw
    Evidence is what I'm looking for.

    Even if there was evidence for evolution it wouldn't change my mind about God or my faith. If God had created evolution as part of how life came about, and there was sufficient evidence, I'd believe it.

    But that's not the world we live in. There is far more evidence for the reality we face as individuals and communitie ...[text shortened]... d the more we force God from our conscientiousness the more desperate our condition becomes.
    You are looking for evidence not;

    You are looking for a back up of your personal "absolute truth"


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    Originally posted by josephw
    Evidence is what I'm looking for.

    Even if there was evidence for evolution it wouldn't change my mind about God or my faith. If God had created evolution as part of how life came about, and there was sufficient evidence, I'd believe it.

    But that's not the world we live in. There is far more evidence for the reality we face as individuals and communitie ...[text shortened]... d the more we force God from our conscientiousness the more desperate our condition becomes.
    I gave you evidence in one of my previous posts.

    I don't suggest nor would want you to give up your faith in god even if you saw merit in evolution because ultimately you are correct that the process of evolution itself could be a divine creation. What I do speak out against is stubborness and willful ignorance being practiced by intelligent people and that is exactly what I see when some dismiss evolution in such a cavalier manner as your first post.
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    I've heard or read can't remember & if I need to be corrected or educated so be it but that the major issue with classic evolution is that there aren't any transitional species in the fossil record. Example: like you see pics in a text book of a fish slowly morphing into a bird or monkey like creatures becoming man. I think there is an absence of these so called transitional species and you would think there should be an abundance of them over millions of years.



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    12 Sep '09 06:17
    Originally posted by josephw
    We have an entire universe right before our eyes. It's big. Really big. And all the evidence evolutionary scientists can muster up as proof for evolution can be seen on the head of a pin under a microscope.

    It's all talk.
    The evidence for evolution is all out there, you're part of it. You wouldn't be if evolution is not a working force.

    The only evidence for creation is in the bible, and, to be honest, that's not much an evidence, is it?

    It's all talk...
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    12 Sep '09 11:442 edits
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    The evidence for evolution is all out there, you're part of it. You wouldn't be if evolution is not a working force.

    The only evidence for creation is in the bible, and, to be honest, that's not much an evidence, is it?

    It's all talk...
    [b] the evidence is all out there, your part of it. creation, the bang theory was debunked many years ago, then taken back up. but what was the cause?
    [c] the only evidence for creation is the bible if you want undisputable evidence that you will never get in this life. and to be honest its in your heart and soul
    its all written down so if you want not to belive you have been warned
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    12 Sep '09 11:54
    Originally posted by josephw
    Evidence is what I'm looking for.

    Even if there was evidence for evolution it wouldn't change my mind about God or my faith. If God had created evolution as part of how life came about, and there was sufficient evidence, I'd believe it.

    But that's not the world we live in. There is far more evidence for the reality we face as individuals and communitie ...[text shortened]... d the more we force God from our conscientiousness the more desperate our condition becomes.
    Hang on, are you saying god exists because of the evidence, or god exists because we humans need god to exist?
    Your last statement sounds a whole lot like you're suggesting the second idea. Hardly convincing evidence now is it?

    And please can you get past the 'the whole world's existence proves god' bit and actually do a bit of thinking for a change.
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    12 Sep '09 11:55
    Originally posted by menace71
    I've heard or read can't remember & if I need to be corrected or educated so be it but that the major issue with classic evolution is that there aren't any transitional species in the fossil record. Example: like you see pics in a text book of a fish slowly morphing into a bird or monkey like creatures becoming man. I think there is an absence of these so c ...[text shortened]... and you would think there should be an abundance of them over millions of years.



    Manny
    Manny, there are some transitional species, but not many. In fact in terms of fossil numbers, we don't have many in general. For something to fossilize it has to die under the right conditions. Firstly it has to be buried in such a way that erosion and predators are eliminated and secondly the animal has to die in a place where the soil is going to preserve it, ideally sedimanetary soil.. So for fossilization to occur certain factors have to be adhered to, that's why most of our fossils come from the sea bed, lakes or rivers.

    Add to this the movement of plate tectonics, volcanoes, seas rising and lowering, ice ages, you can appreciate the Earths mantle has undergone massive of amounts of upheavel over millennia. So for the animals that have died in the right place and have managed to be fossilised, they then have to survive millions of years of the Earths erosion processes for us to find them.

    If you add to the mix that we have only really been looking for fossils for 100yrs or so, it's not surprising we don't have than many.
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    "If you add to the mix that we have only really been looking for fossils for 100yrs or so, it's not surprising we don't have than many."

    That is a good point. This is an ongoing effort. More information is being uncovered each year. Our knowledge of evolution will be much greater 100 years from now.

    What concerns me is that there are so many who just want to dismiss it out of hand, for religous reasons, rather than press on with research.
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