Bible Works vs Faith

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I have been unequivocal about 2 things.

1. Faith without works is dead.
2. We are not saved by works, lest any man should boast.

So you believe that Christians have to do what you call "good works" in order to be "saved" because the Bible commands it?

Originally posted by FMF
So you believe that Christians have to do what you call "good works" in order to be "saved" because the Bible commands it?

That isn't what he said, at least in that quote. Nit sure why you would ask him that question based on that quote.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
As mentioned before, Romans 2:14-15 tells us that the requirements of the law are written on our hearts, and that this includes Gentiles.

God is telling you that even people without faith can do 'good works' if they follow their conscience and 'do by nature what the Law requires.'

Why are you not hearing this?

Under the new covenant are people saved by following the law?

Paul says no in Romans 3.

Originally posted by Eladar
That isn't what he said, at least in that quote.

I am not saying it's "what he said". I am asking him a question.

Originally posted by FMF
I am not saying it's "what he said". I am asking him a question.

The answer is obviously no for anyone who believes the Bible.

Which is why you believe it is a relavent question.

Originally posted by Eladar
The answer is obviously no for anyone who believes the Bible.

The notion that you can take it upon yourself speak on behalf of "anyone who believes the Bible" is just plain silly.

Originally posted by FMF
So you believe that Christians have to do what you call "good works" in order to be "saved" because the Bible commands it?

The Bible says we are saved by faith, not by works. Faith without works is dead. So anyone who claims to have faith but does no good works is lying about their faith.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
The Bible says we are saved by faith, not by works. Faith without works is dead. So anyone who claims to have faith but does no good works is lying about their faith.

So "good works" are not optional?

Originally posted by FMF
So "good works" are not optional?

I would rather say faith is not optional. Good works are a natural outworking of faith. It would also depend on what you define as "good works".

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I would rather say faith is not optional. Good works are a natural outworking of faith.

Without the "good works", though, no amount of "faith" will save them, is that what you mean?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
It would also depend on what you define as "good works".

Do you believe your Christian ministry/testimony here on this forum is part of your "good works"?

Originally posted by FMF
Without the "good works", though, no amount of "faith" will save them, is that what you mean?

We have been over this before. Remember our long discussion about the thief on the cross? Or are you pretending to have forgotten?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
We have been over this before. Remember our long discussion about the thief on the cross? Or are you pretending to have forgotten?

OK, I'll take that as the only"answer" you're going to offer to that question. It's OK. As you know, while I would have been interested in the answer, it is the behaviour of people like you that I find most interesting.

Here is a different angle:

So when someone with "faith" dies, their "good works" are judged in order to evaluate whether their "faith" was 'living' or 'dead', is that what you believe?

Originally posted by FMF
Without the "good works", though, no amount of "faith" will save them, is that what you mean?

Actually without faith no amount of 'works' can save us.

Originally posted by FMF
Do you believe your Christian ministry/testimony here on this forum is part of your "good works"?

If I believed your question was sincere and your motives were pure, I might have answered it.