Originally posted by Zahlanzi
moses didn't have faith. moses had knowledge.
Moses had knowledge from his great education in Egypt. But he also had to have faith.
Hebrews 11:24 - "By FAITH Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharoah's daughter. (24)
Choosing rather to be ill treated with the people of God then to have the temporary enjoyment of sin, (25)
Considering the reproach of the Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he looked away to the reward. (26)
Do you see? Moses had faith. Even his fleeing from Egypt after his failed attempt to liberate his brothers, was in faith -
Hebrews 11:27 - "By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king, for he persevered as one seeing the unseen One."
Do you see? He had faith as one "seeing the unseen One"
By faith he instituted the Passover too -
Hebrews 11:28 - "By faith he instituted the Passover and the pouring out of he blood so that the one destroying the firstborn would not touch them."
Moses acted by faith there. He also passed through the Red Sea by faith -
Hebrews 11:29 - "By faith they passed through the Red Sea as through dry land, in which the Egyptians, while making the attempt, were swallowed up."
god was speaking TO him, he allowed him to terrorize the people of egypt with bio and chemical weapons.
You are jumping to another subject.
The immediate thing you need to learn is that Moses did act on faith.
the character moses KNEW god existed.
All who have faith KNOW God exists pretty much.
What kind of false dichotomy are you attempting to make?
we don't know.
It is alright to speak for yourself.
Moses got to know God existed.
Moses also had faith in this existing God that He would do this or that, according to His promises.
we have no way of knowing if moses existed, if he did that horrible crap in egypt, if he did wonder the desert for 40 years. we have no proof. some may choose to have faith that it happened.
You're jumping around trying to say knowledge verses faith, Moses was a terrorist, we have no knowledge of God, and there is no proof of the truth of the Exodus account.
You're carpet bombing. You're scatter shooting.
The only thing I feel to point out to you in this post is that you directly and rather ignorantly write that Moses had no faith. The book of Hebrews,
let alone Exodus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers
shows us the faith Moses had.
faith is a personal choice. knowledge is not. knowledge exist whether you believe it or not.
So what if faith is a personal choice?
Knowledge is not always verses faith.
And Moses had the great educational knowledge from Egypt and he had faith too. You are trying to form some false dichotomy between the two.
sure, the fact that god exists may be knowledge that we have not discovered for certain yet. until such proof is found, the existence of god is a matter of faith.
Speak for yourself then if you want to take the position of Agnosticism.
You assume that what you know, everyone else must know the same.
Maybe it is just a matter of timing.
What others know, you will sometime in the future, also come to know.
You cannot insist that no one else knows of God because you do not know of God. I know of God. I know God through Jesus. And the fact that there is subjective choice involved doesn't make God not real.
When I was single, I did not know of marriage, subjectively, personally. Yet some others knew of marriage. Then the day came when I also knew what others knew - the experience of marriage.
I know God today.