17 Mar '15 14:37>
Originally posted by JS357"Faith is holding something to be true without proof."
His version is pretty straightforward Hebrews 11:1:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." (Hebrews 11:1)
So "...faith is... the evidence..."
And you are right. Faith is holding something to be true without proof.
There is a subtlety here, that the holder of faith has all the proof he needs, which is non ...[text shortened]... erhaps, like I thought I once was.
This means there is nothing to be gained by argumentation.
That's not logical. To begin with, faith comes from the object in which it is trusting. Not from something not known to exist. Having faith without proof of the existence of its object is as idiotic as it can get.Reveal Hidden Content
happens all the time though I must admit, it's an illusion or a delusion
The knowledge of the existence of that which one has faith in comes first, then faith follows and grows as one's knowledge of the object of faith increases.
Faith is not wishful hoping in something one doesn't know to exist. That would not be faith at all since its object isn't known to exist.
Faith is the action one exercises when the knowledge of faith's object is known. Faith is the walk according to The Truth.
"You have to be there, like I once was. Or perhaps, like I thought I once was."
Not sure what you mean by that, but if you're suggesting that you once had faith that produced no fruit, then what you had wasn't faith.