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Originally posted by blindfaith101I could care less that you worship a monster. The stories about your monster God in the OT show that he is almost certainly a creation of a semi-savage people trying to justify their cruelty and brutality. For details on their and your monster God's supposed handiwork, read this thread http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=20100
Why does it bother you so much that I worship GOD?
Originally posted by no1marauderWhether or not you worship GOD or not only matters to you.You contiueously complain and complain about GOD. You have issues with HIM. HE has issues with you. But who are complaining about is really not GOD. Your complaint really is about satan. satan has caused you hurt, harm and pain. satan is doing all he can to completely destroy mankind. Just like you he knows that GOD is the Surpreme Being. And he knows that soon he power and reign on earth is soon to end.
I could care less that you worship a monster. The stories about your monster God in the OT show that he is almost certainly a creation of a semi-savage people trying to justify their cruelty and brutality. For details on their and your monster God's supposed handiwork, read this thread http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=20100
Originally posted by blindfaith101Thank you for the response. So in your view he created the universe and now he sits on his throne. "The Prime Mover," he set the dominoes tumbling. What does he do these days apart from judging us?
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the Last. REVELATIONS 22:13
In the beginning God created the heaven an the earth.
GENESIS 1:1
That men may know that, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. PSALMS 83:18
I believe that GOD is the Creator of all things. Nothing exsists with ...[text shortened]... back to life. He walked the earth again and then rose to Heaven to sit on HIS Throne in Heaven.
You see, the way i feel about it is this.... YOUR "GOD" (although you haven't really defined what what you mean by that word, other than referring me to one of the most ambiguous texts ever written) created a world which is full of danger, misery and temptation etc, and then put us, who are weak and powerless, into this world ( without first asking us if we want to take part in his little game) and then watches us as we suffer.
He has the power and knowledge to be nice, and let us all be happy, but chooses to mess with our heads.There are millions of people in his creation starving to death or dying of cancer.
If we turn out to be weak and scared like he designed us to be, and cannot resist the temptations he allows to be there, we are cast into eternal suffering and damnation! What sort of a chance does that give us!?
Why did he do this? Whats the point? Was he bored? Is he nasty? Is his behaviour loving or in fact not very nice at all?
I don't think i like YOUR God much.
There are other Gods around who seem much friendlier. Why should i listen to you and your "GOD"? Please explain.
Originally posted by twiceaknightDon’t make the mistake of thinking that I am in agreement with BF is regards to what the scripture says, but you ask some very good questions, so I’ll give it a shot.
Thank you for the response. So in your view he created the universe and now he sits on his throne. "The Prime Mover," he set the dominoes tumbling. What does he do these days apart from judging us?
You see, the way i feel about it is this.... YOUR "GOD" (although you haven't really defined what what you mean by that word, other than referring me ...[text shortened]... ds around who seem much friendlier. Why should i listen to you and your "GOD"? Please explain.
Thank you for the response. So in your view he created the universe and now he sits on his throne. "The Prime Mover," he set the dominoes tumbling. What does he do these days apart from judging us?
God is involved with everything that we do. He is in all of us. This is what Matt 25:42-45 and Luke 17:21 tells us.
You see, the way i feel about it is this.... YOUR "GOD" (although you haven't really defined what what you mean by that word, other than referring me to one of the most ambiguous texts ever written) created a world which is full of danger, misery and temptation etc,
This isn’t really the world that God created for us. This is the world that we have turned it into.
and then put us, who are weak and powerless, into this world ( without first asking us if we want to take part in his little game) and then watches us as we suffer.
According to scripture we are not weak and powerless.
II Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and a sound mind.
He has the power and knowledge to be nice, and let us all be happy, but chooses to mess with our heads. There are millions of people in his creation starving to death or dying of cancer.
This is by and large because of the actions of people not God. If everybody lived the way God intended us to live, these things would not be happening. Mindless slaves are pathetic, so God gave us free will.
If we turn out to be weak and scared like he designed us to be, and cannot resist the temptations he allows to be there, we are cast into eternal suffering and damnation! What sort of a chance does that give us!?
He did not design us to be weak and scared as I have already pointed out. We do have the power to resist temptation, but it becomes much easier when we accept God. Without God, the world does indeed seem overwhelming at times.
Hell is only for those evil souls who reject all that is good. Personally, I don’t believe that people are sent there forever but just until their debt has been paid.
Why did he do this? Whats the point? Was he bored? Is he nasty? Is his behaviour loving or in fact not very nice at all?
If you could know what the end result will be you might think that it’s worthwhile.
I don't think i like YOUR God much. There are other Gods around who seem much friendlier. Why should i listen to you and your "GOD"? Please explain.
I don’t care much for BF’s God either.
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Originally posted by blindfaith101See? You spew the same statements over and over and over.
The WORD OF GOD, answers all questions. You chose that old tactic that satan used in the Garden of Eden, distraction from what GOD said. I chose to believe only what the WORD OF GOD says, I have found no lies in it. you and others have chosen to believe others, that is your choice.
THE WORD OF GOD this
JESUS CHRIST that
THE HOLY SPIRIT the other thing....
Your chosen name here on RHP does really say it all. You are blind in your faith. I hope you will find comfort in that when everything unravels.
Originally posted by twiceaknightUppity mankind. GOD should have consulted with an uncreated being before HE created them. Why should mankind participate in the War between Good and Evil. Mankind was not created to be aparticpate in the War. Man chose to participate.
Thank you for the response. So in your view he created the universe and now he sits on his throne. "The Prime Mover," he set the dominoes tumbling. What does he do these days apart from judging us?
You see, the way i feel about it is this.... YOUR "GOD" (although you haven't really defined what what you mean by that word, other than referring me ...[text shortened]... ds around who seem much friendlier. Why should i listen to you and your "GOD"? Please explain.
Mankind ignores the purpose that they were created for. But feels that they have Human Rights of creation. They have the right to dictate to GOD about what they should be able to do and not do. Now you want to protest We will not participate in the life that HE gave us.
Like my GOD really cares what you think.
You donot Love GOD, that is your choice. GOD have given you three options. You can Worship HIM as the Creator of all things. You can take the path of HIS enemy and hate HIM. Or do your own thing.
GOD has never forced anyone yet to Worship and Serve HIM. We do so by choice. Have no fear though, GOD has a place for all those with your point of view.
if you donot have the ability to look at the cause and affect of things, that is on you. If you do not have the ability to realize that all man is the dirt on the bottom of GOD'S feet. That's on you as well.
GOD did not permit danger, misery, temptations and etc. Mankind did with the help of satan. You chose not to see or believe that fact, you do so by your own choice. Like mankind or satan can really hurt GOD.
All the problems that this planet has is not the Fault of GOD. It is the fault of mankind and satan. There is multiple times of food to feed the population of this planet. Why does not mankind see to it that everyone is fed. Why does a Gallon of milk cost $3.60 are cows scare?
The earth is filled with plants that can be used for healing of all healing, but mankind is destroying the rainforest. Why?
Stop blaming GOD for the problems mankind. Blame mankind and the forces of evil. GOD doesnot have you thinking the way you do. You do.
Originally posted by The Chess ExpressThank you , The Chess Express for your helpful response.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that I am in agreement with BF is regards to what the scripture says, but you ask some very good questions, so I’ll give it a shot.
[b]Thank you for the response. So in your view he created the universe and now he sits on his throne. "The Prime Mover," he set the dominoes tumbling. What does he do these days ...[text shortened]... i listen to you and your "GOD"? Please explain.
I don’t care much for BF’s God either.[/b]
I have a feeling we could spend the rest of this gift ( our lives) discussing this if we wanted to.
(I like the bit about hell not being forever.)
Christianity (correct me if i'm wrong) defines God as all knowing, all loving and all powerful. But there is suffering so the definition is logically flawed. Let me explain...
God is all knowing, that includes present, past and future, so he knew this world would happen even down to details like me writing this post.
He had and still has the power to change it but chooses not to.
He then judges us for doing exactly what he new we would do in the first place. When he sends someone to hell, he is doing something that he always knew he would eventually do. We have free will but he knows what we will do with it, and knew all along. It's not fair if he sends us to hell for it.
This is why i cannot accept that he is all loving. I don't believe in the Christian God as defined by Christians because i think His existance is a logical impossibility.
For what it's worth, i hope that i find spiritual meaning in my life one day, and i envy those who have it, but i think it will need to be as a result of my own journey, rather than someone elses.
Best wishes to you and all the lucky Christians out there!
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Originally posted by twiceaknightTo avoid a lengthy retype, maybe you can have a quick read through the following thread:
Thank you , The Chess Express for your helpful response.
I have a feeling we could spend the rest of this gift ( our lives) discussing this if we wanted to.
(I like the bit about hell not being forever.)
Christianity (correct me if i'm wrong) defines God as all knowing, all loving and all powerful. But there is suffering so the definition is logi ...[text shortened]... urney, rather than someone elses.
Best wishes to you and all the lucky Christians out there!
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=29922
Originally posted by no1marauderhttp://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=20100
I could care less that you worship a monster. The stories about your monster God in the OT show that he is almost certainly a creation of a semi-savage people trying to justify their cruelty and brutality. For details on their and your monster God's supposed handiwork, read this thread http://www.timeforchess.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=20100
Hmmmm... Times have changed...
Originally posted by blindfaith101Thank you for the response BF.
[ Why should mankind participate in the War between Good and Evil. Mankind was not created to be aparticpate in the War. Man chose to participate.
You donot Love GOD, that is your choice. GOD have given you three options. You can Worship HIM as the Creator of all things. You can take the path of HIS enemy and hate HIM. Or do your own thing.
GOD has n ...[text shortened]... ind. Blame mankind and the forces of evil. GOD doesnot have you thinking the way you do. You do.[/b]
BF "Why should mankind participate in the War between Good and Evil. Mankind was not created to be aparticpate in the War. Man chose to participate."
I have had good and bad inside me all my life. I didn't choose to be this way, and i have to battle with my conscience every day. This is the human condition, and surely the basis of any discussion of ethics, religious or otherwise.
BF "Like my GOD really cares what you think."
PHEW!
BF "If you do not have the ability to realize that all man is the dirt on the bottom of GOD'S feet. That's on you as well."
God probably hasn't got feet. He wouldn't need them, he's everywhere already. Come to think of it, "He" doesn't need to be a "he" because He doesn't need to reproduce with a "she." He wouldn't need reproductive organs, so how could he be male or female? My point is that you seem to be unable to distance him from humanity, you give him similar ego and emotional issues. One thing's for sure, if God exists "he" wont be anything like any of us.