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Originally posted by twiceaknightThank you , The Chess Express for your helpful response.
Thank you , The Chess Express for your helpful response.
I have a feeling we could spend the rest of this gift ( our lives) discussing this if we wanted to.
(I like the bit about hell not being forever.)
Christianity (correct me if i'm wrong) defines God as all knowing, all loving and all powerful. But there is suffering so the definition is logi urney, rather than someone elses.
Best wishes to you and all the lucky Christians out there![/b]
I have a feeling we could spend the rest of this gift ( our lives) discussing this if we wanted to.
(I like the bit about hell not being forever.)
Your welcome. The Bible actually says that Hell is not forever in a number of places. Jesus says in Matthew that Hell is just to burn off the sins of those who are not forgiven.
Christianity (correct me if i'm wrong) defines God as all knowing, all loving and all powerful. But there is suffering so the definition is logically flawed. Let me explain...
God is all knowing, that includes present, past and future, so he knew this world would happen even down to details like me writing this post.
He had and still has the power to change it but chooses not to.
He then judges us for doing exactly what he new we would do in the first place. When he sends someone to hell, he is doing something that he always knew he would eventually do. We have free will but he knows what we will do with it, and knew all along. It's not fair if he sends us to hell for it.
This is why i cannot accept that he is all loving. I don't believe in the Christian God as defined by Christians because i think His existence is a logical impossibility.
This seems to be a common misconception that people have about the Christian God. I’ve already gone through this with rwingett. Please refer to the “no title” thread.
For what it's worth, i hope that i find spiritual meaning in my life one day, and i envy those who have it, but i think it will need to be as a result of my own journey, rather than someone elses.
Best wishes to you and all the lucky Christians out there!
Best of luck.
Originally posted by twiceaknightYes we have free choice, Yes GOD knows those that would use is wisely or not. GOD is not gong to interferr with our free choice. Yes HE know all that are going to chose everlasting Damnation, and why they will. You have the free will choice as well. If you chose not to Worship and Honour GOD. That is your free choice. The difference is that you know the reason why you won't or don't.
Thank you , The Chess Express for your helpful response.
I have a feeling we could spend the rest of this gift ( our lives) discussing this if we wanted to.
(I like the bit about hell not being forever.)
Christianity (correct me if i'm wrong) defines God as all knowing, all loving and all powerful. But there is suffering so the definition is logi ...[text shortened]... urney, rather than someone elses.
Best wishes to you and all the lucky Christians out there!
The Salvation that JESUS CHRIST offers, is offered to all of mankind. Freely offered. The problem is that mankind thinks so highly of itself. Or that mankind is so confused by satan. That mankind has lost the ability, to know the truth from a lie.
You donot believe in GOD because you know nothing about HIM. Sure you know about what the enemies of GOD have told. But you have not used your own ability to search out the Truth. You use only your ability to look at it from your perspective or your Truth. The same complaints that you have write them down. Study them. Search for the role that Mankind plays in your complaint. Find out the role that satan plays in your complaints. Then you will begin to know GOD'S point of view. Then you will know the Love that GOD has for all mankind.
Yes all those that refuse to come to GOD, are going to be punished. Rightly so, but that is their free choice. Their free choice does not have to be yours. Search out the truth for yourself. If you have the given chance, start with the study of the Words of JESUS CHRIST. Put The Words of JESUS CHRIST down beside the Complaints of mankind. And search for the truth.
Yes GOD knew that you would post here at RHP. This is just another opportunity for you to search out the truth for yourself. Does it take courage, Yes. But that courage is rewarded with truth. You donot have to go to everlasting damnation if you donot want to. You only go there only by choice.
That path of life that GOD has put you on, leds to HIM. You canchose to walk that path that leds to him. Or walk that road that leads to destruction. Those are your Choices, use your choice well.
Originally posted by blindfaith101So God knows the choices we are going to make? If i'm going to commit murder God knows this?
Yes we have free choice, Yes GOD knows those that would use is wisely or not. GOD is not gong to interferr with our free choice. Yes HE know all that are going to chose everlasting Damnation, and why they will. You have the free will choice as well. If you chose not to Worship and Honour GOD. That is your free choice. The difference is that you know th ...[text shortened]... him. Or walk that road that leads to destruction. Those are your Choices, use your choice well.
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Originally posted by windmillOkay on that premise then,
He would know.
If I was to hunt down blindfaith101 or yourself a devout believer in God, how can you worship a God that would just stand by knowing full well that someone was going to kill one of his followers? How does that provoke a sense of fulfillment and worship in you?
Would you knowing that someone was gonna kill someone else not try to stop it? Going against what God Himself is doing? Would you pray to God to save you when I show up?
Originally posted by ChakanI have already been in situations u describe.To deal with it is something i do not know what i would do at the time.I know i also in certain situations would be prepared to kill and yes God does answer prayers especially through hard times and this in a way is a blessing as it is "proff".
Okay on that premise then,
If I was to hunt down blindfaith101 or yourself a devout believer in God, how can you worship a God that would just stand by knowing full well that someone was going to kill one of his followers? How does that provoke a sense of fulfillment and worship in you?
Would you knowing that someone was gonna kill someone else not try ...[text shortened]... p it? Going against what God Himself is doing? Would you pray to God to save you when I show up?
Originally posted by twiceaknightYou have spoken a lot of truth but you have spoken a lot of untruth as well. You look at GOD as if he is your next door neighbor or one down the street. HE is not.
Thank you for the response BF.
BF "Why should mankind participate in the War between Good and Evil. Mankind was not created to be aparticpate in the War. Man chose to participate."
I have had good and bad inside me all my life. I didn't choose to be this way, and i have to battle with my conscience every day. This is the human condition, and ...[text shortened]... d emotional issues. One thing's for sure, if God exists "he" wont be anything like any of us.
GOD is on a plain of understanding that those that are unsaved will never understand. You have chosen to be who you are. You have chosen to understand right and wrong. The results of "the human condition" is the result of the choices of man. The choices of man that began in the Garden of Eden. Yet have you studied what happened. Have you tried to understand what GOD said and Done. Have you tried to understand that Man had no Knowledge, of what the Knowledge of Good and Evil would be like outside, of GOD'S WORD.
GOD has feet JESUS CHRIST walked the earth as a man. His WORD Clearly Says: GENESIS 3:8, PSALMS 99:1-5, ISAIAH 66:1-4, MATTHEW 5:34-36, 22:41-46 MARK 12:35-40 LUKE 20:39-47 ACTS 7:42-50, etc,etc,etc
GOD is the creators of he and she's. GOD put Man(Adam) in charge of the earth. In charge of the family of mankind. Also GOD is looked at in the eyes of mankind as a HE. GOD is nothing like us. We are only created in HIS Image. HE is in HIS own realm of Wisdom and Unrdstanding. We only understand what GOD, allows us to undersand.
Originally posted by Chakan1+infinity=?.What value do you think 1 holds?I believe in the next life there will come a time when we have travelled that long that this life will be completley forgotten.
Okay on that premise then,
If I was to hunt down blindfaith101 or yourself a devout believer in God, how can you worship a God that would just stand by knowing full well that someone was going to kill one of his followers? How does that provoke a sense of fulfillment and worship in you?
Would you knowing that someone was gonna kill someone else not try ...[text shortened]... p it? Going against what God Himself is doing? Would you pray to God to save you when I show up?
Originally posted by ChakanI personally would stand in faith and understanding of THE WORD OF GOD. Iwould also ask GOD to forgive you. I would pray to GOD to bring Salvation into your life.
Okay on that premise then,
If I was to hunt down blindfaith101 or yourself a devout believer in God, how can you worship a God that would just stand by knowing full well that someone was going to kill one of his followers? How does that provoke a sense of fulfillment and worship in you?
Would you knowing that someone was gonna kill someone else not try ...[text shortened]... p it? Going against what God Himself is doing? Would you pray to God to save you when I show up?
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