23 Nov 05
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Originally posted by KnightWulfeAs a secular historian, I classify them as Christians for the purposes of cultural history.
Yes, this is very true, but they are still classified as Christians.
However, when working in the field of religious history, doctrinal distinctions become important. The rejection of historic Christian doctrine that has defined orthodoxy since the Arian controversy, yet distinct from the ideas advocated by the followers of Arius merits attention. But this attention cannot accept uncritically the claim of JWs and LDS that they are Christians. The claim requires examination.
LDS doctrines may prove more a more plausible system of hermeneutics, but the secular historian does not care about such matters.
Jehovah's Witness doctrine is rooted in gross misunderstanding of Greek grammar, and even a secular historian can reject it out of hand. Nevertheless, this cult fits within Christianity in terms of culture.
23 Nov 05
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Originally posted by lucifershammerOh, I certainly agree that some things have a right way...my statement was meant in jest. 🙂
Some things really do have a right way. To deny it would be to become a moral relativist.
I do want to say that I am impressed more with your comments than any other Christian with whom I have discussed religion. However misguided I may think your foundations are, you do have foundations that are very solid to you, where so many others simply fall back on faith as their crutch when they cannot answer a question with anything meaningful. For that, I thank you.
When I have time, I will find the backing to the Roman Senate statement I made.
23 Nov 05
Originally posted by KnightWulfeThank you for the gracious response. Apologies if any of my comments were offensive.
Oh, I certainly agree that some things have a right way...my statement was meant in jest. 🙂
I do want to say that I am impressed more with your comments than any other Christian with whom I have discussed religion. However misguided I may think your foundations are, you do have foundations that are very solid to you, where so many others simply fall ...[text shortened]... I thank you.
When I have time, I will find the backing to the Roman Senate statement I made.
23 Nov 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerNothing offense, no worries. Religion is a topic that no matter how civil one may try to be, can turn into something very heated and volitile.
Thank you for the gracious response. Apologies if any of my comments were offensive.
I am one who seeks understanding of the conviction behind people's beliefs, Christianity in particular. I grew up in a Christian household, and have a family that is very much Christian. Due to a combination of many different factors, I am not one myself. Because of this, however, I like to hear, see and understand how and why others have maintained their faith, and how they explain what I have found to be discrepancies or contradictions.
23 Nov 05
Originally posted by KnightWulfeYES, Neither of them follow the teachings of CHRIST. Nor can either of those Religions Confess 1 JOHN 4:1-5
Originally posted by lucifershammer
[b][b]Actually, that it incorrect. The Roman Senate decided which books the Bible would include. There is documentable proof of that. You can go look it up.
If that's your assertion, the burden of proof is on you to provide the evidence. I'm not about to go hunting for some cockamimy conspiracy theory ...[text shortened]... of humanity, the ~250 million that follow the Roman Catholic Church are the ones that are right?[/b]
23 Nov 05
Originally posted by KnightWulfe1 JOHN 4:1-5
Yes, this is very true, but they are still classified as Christians.
Personally, I think they make up their own regious group. Since they reject Christ, they are really not Christian. They are not Jewish and they are not Islamic. For my questioning, however, it is a semantic argument. They ALL still follow Biblical teachings. And that is what is at the ...[text shortened]... ollowing the right path. There is not even a majority that can agree on a particular TRUE path.
23 Nov 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerIn all things that pertain to GOD, and HIS WORD. Where have you found that at any time in THE WORD OF GOD, that GOD said or taught. That it was good to be both right or wrong. It has always been taught that you are either right or you are wrong.
True - but just because they cannot all be right simultaneously it doesn't mean that they are all wrong simultaneously. One or more of them could still be correct.
23 Nov 05
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Originally posted by blindfaith101Ok, uh...BF101 - I did not say the teachings of Christ. I said Teachings of the Bible.... there is a big difference.
YES, Neither of them follow the teachings of CHRIST. Nor can either of those Religions Confess 1 JOHN 4:1-5
Are you ever going to stop preaching and actually speak (type) like a normal person? You are sounding like a broken record stating the same things over and over without actually answering a thing.
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Originally posted by KnightWulfeThe Teachings of CHRIST are the Teachings of THE BIBLE. THE BIBLE, which are the teachings of CHRIST, who is THE WORD OF GOD.
Ok, uh...BF101 - I did not say the teachings of Christ. I said Teachings of the Bible.... there is a big difference.
Are you ever going to stop preaching and actually speak (type) like a normal person? You are sounding like a broken record stating the same things over and over without actually answering a thing.
23 Nov 05
Originally posted by KnightWulfeI have no intentions of stopping speaking THE WORD OF GOD, whether or not you or anyone likes it or not. If I am speaking incorrectly correct me with THE WORD OF GOD.
Ok, uh...BF101 - I did not say the teachings of Christ. I said Teachings of the Bible.... there is a big difference.
Are you ever going to stop preaching and actually speak (type) like a normal person? You are sounding like a broken record stating the same things over and over without actually answering a thing.
23 Nov 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101The teachings of Christ are PART of the Bibles teaching...there is this HUGE part of it called the Old Testament. You know, that part that has the Ten Commandments near the beginning of it? The part that speaks of the Creation? Adam and Eve?
The Teachings of CHRIST are the Teachings of THE BIBLE. THE BIBLE, which are the teachings of CHRIST, who is THE WORD OF GOD.
Actually....nevermind. With every post you more and more prove the point that you are pointless.