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Therefore having received a new life they need to nourish, feed, and sustain that new life by the "milk of the word".
"Therefore putting away all malice and all guile and hypocrisy and envyings and all evil speaking,
As newborn babes, long for the guileless milk of the word in order that by it you may grow unto salvation,
If you have tasted that the Lord is good." (2 Peter 2:1-3)
When they were born again they "tasted that the Lord is good" BEFORE the physical second coming and before the coming physical regeneration of nature.
In the church age, we must be born again and then nourish by the milk of God's living word, the seed of new life that has been implanted into us.
@rajk999 saidYou are mixing two different events, from one where we live out our lives in Christ here and now, and when we put off our old bodies for the new.
Jesus said that the regeneration takes place when He returns.
He has not returned. Therefore nobody is regenerated.
Born of the Spirit means that the person is no longer flesh and blood.
The person is a Spirit being that can move like the wind.
You enjoy elevating yourself beyond what the Bible says.
In due course you will be abased and placed in your rightful position.
Have patience.
@sonship saidWhy do you practice such lies. Why? Is it because you are Satan himself - the father of lies? You are a disgusting sickening little man.
Therefore having received a new life they need to nourish, feed, and sustain that new life by the "milk of the word".
[quote] "Therefore putting away all malice and all guile and hypocrisy and envyings and all evil speaking,
[b]As newborn babes, long for the guileless milk of the word in order that by it you may grow unto salvation,
If you have tasted that th ...[text shortened]... then nourish by the milk of God's living word, the seed of new life that has been implanted into us.
I already said that the Christian
- is born of water ie baptised into Christ
- they put on Christ
- receives the Holy Sprit.
- can do a lot of stuff not possible before
- they are new people in Christ
There is spiritual rebirth there which I am agreeing to.
The regeneration part Jesus said happens when he returns.
Regeneration therefore is not the same as receiving the Holy Spirit.
You and KJ are both damn fools trying desperately to twist the teachings of Christ to fit your church nonsense.
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@sonship
I made a serious typo above.
I wrote erroneously
"the Spirit [a Person] bears witness without our spirit ..."
I meant to write
"the Spirit [a Person] bears witness with our spirit ..."
@rajk999 saidNew birth, we receive the Holy Spirit, we are new people in Christ, born again.
Why do you practice such lies. Why? Is it because you are Satan himself - the father of lies? You are a disgusting sickening little man.
I already said that the Christian
- is born of water ie baptised into Christ
- they put on Christ
- receives the Holy Sprit.
- can do a lot of stuff not possible before
- they are new people in Christ
There is spiritual rebirth ...[text shortened]... are both damn fools trying desperately to twist the teachings of Christ to fit your church nonsense.
When Jesus comes back, we are changed.
They are two different events, both are required, both require God's actions we can do neither just because we want to, so we have to give God all credit for what He is doing not our efforts. You are confusing our sanctification here with the what occurs when He returns.
Titus 3:5
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
1 Corinthians 1:29-31 English Standard Version (ESV)
so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
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I already said that the Christian
- is born of water ie baptised into Christ
- they put on Christ
- receives the Holy Sprit.
- can do a lot of stuff not possible before
- they are new people in Christ
There is spiritual rebirth there which I am agreeing to.
The regeneration part Jesus said happens when he returns.
Regeneration therefore is not the same as receiving the Holy Spirit.
You and KJ are both damn fools trying desperately to twist the teachings of Christ to fit your church nonsense.
NEW BIRTH takes place in the church age. PERIOD.
Matthew 19:28 prophesying about "the regeneration" doesn't change this, negate this, or make Christians talking about being born again SINCE the first century wrong.
The incorruptible SEED of life implanted into believers all through the present church age was the result of them being born again, and therefore regenerated.
The regeneration to come at the second coming doesn't change this.
No new birth equals no divine SEED in anyone. But the divine SEED is implanted BEFORE the second coming.
"Having been regenerated [born again] not of incorruptible seed ..." (1 Pet. 1:23a)
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If you don't like to call that being born again, that is your peculiar renegade hangup, loathing to play second fiddle to past good careful teachers of the word.
I follow the New Testament to teach that being BORN AGAIN is to happen throughout the church age with no apologies to those eager for the next age to come.
You don't understand, do you, that man is a three part being - spirit and soul and body (1 Thess. 5:23) ?
You do not understand how salvation works from the center to the circumference of man.
You do not understand how regeneration of the human spirit is followed by transformation of the human soul and climxes in transfiguration of the human body.
Working from within from the center out into the physical body we BEGIN by being born again to "grow unto [full] salvation".
What do you hope to accomplish by undermining being born again in the church age ? Do you think if you undermine being born again in the church age you will produce more obedient followers of Jesus ?
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@sonship
Very bad typo:
Some of you folks should notice when I misquote the Bible.
This was wrong:
"Having been regenerated [born again] not of incorruptible seed ..." (1 Pet. 1:23a)
Terrible !
It should have been
"Having been regenerated [born again] not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible ..." (1 Pet. 1:23a)
@sonship saidSpiritual rebirth is not regeneration.There is spiritual rebirth there which I am agreeing to.
Then why don't you retract this ?Nobody is yet born of the Spirit.
I said Blabbermouth, WHY DON'T YOU THEN RETRACT THIS ??Nobody is yet born of the Spirit.
Regeneration takes place when Jesus returns as He stated clearly.
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Spiritual rebirth is not regeneration.
Regeneration takes place when Jesus returns as He stated clearly.
"Having been regenerated ..."
"Having been born again ... "
That the regeneration taking place in the millennium does not mean there is no being regenerated in the church age.
That's your FALSE DICHOTOMY.
The Recovery Version is fine on both verses:
" ... who according to His great mercy regenerated us unto a living hope though the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead ..." (1 Peter 1:3)
"Having been regenerated not of corruptible seed but of incorruptible, through the living and abiding word of God." (1 Peter 1:23)
Just speak for yourself if you have not been regenerated, not been born again.
@sonship saidThe Recovery Version was written by quacks from a cult.
@Rajk999Spiritual rebirth is not regeneration.
Regeneration takes place when Jesus returns as He stated clearly.
Having been regenerated ...
Having been born again ...
First Peter 1 :23
The regeneration taking place in the millennium does not mean there is no being regenerated in the church age.
That's your false dichotomy.
...[text shortened]... :23) [/b] [/quote]
Just speak for yourself if you have not been regenerated, not been born again.
The KJV says Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. (1 Peter 1:23 KJV)
You are a Satanic worshiper, following after the false doctrines of a cult.
@Rajk999
In 30 years you have not been able to meet with any other believers.
Too much SELF LOVE !!
Did you get kicked out of the Jehovah's Witnesses ?
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The KJV says Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. (1 Peter 1:23 KJV)
That's right. So you lied when you said no one has yet been born of the Spirit.
Nobody is yet born of the Spirit.
"Re- generated" is quite close to "born again"
"again" is expressed as "re".
"generated" is expressed as "born"
No apologies for the RcV's rendering of the two passages in First Peter.