@sonship saidQuoting from your cult's quack version again?
@Rajk999
You are ignoring Christ and hypocritically saying that you are not using what Christ says to teach about regeneration? What utter nonsense.
Just answer yes or no.
Are you saying that because no one yet has been born of the Spirit therefore First Corinthians 6:19 is wrong to say a Christians body is a temple of the Holy Spirit ?
...[text shortened]... have not yet been born of the Spirit or born again or born from above or born anew or regenerated ?
@rajk999 said1 Corinthians 6:19 English Standard Version (ESV)
Quoting from your cult's quack version again?
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
If your body is not a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, what is within you?
1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
He has caused to be born again to a living hope through Jesus Christ, and your hope is in (getting good enough) by your good works? It is better to trust in Christ, and then do works our of service of love for God and man, than to do them to get a ticket into heaven. Especially when Jesus already paid our way by giving up His life for us to take on our sins, you say it isn't enough, we got to work our way in.
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Quoting from your cult's quack version again?
If you were not a fraud and quack of a NT teacher you should have been able to answer EACH of those questions CLEARLY.
You could not because you don't know what you are talking about here.
So to sidestep and evade each of those questions proves I am in a cult ?
No apologies for the translation in the RcV in First Peter 1:3, and 23 of "regenerated".
And your resorting to the King James Version there accomplished ZERO ... NOTHING for your fraudulent manmade teaching that "the regeneration" of Matthew 19:28 means that no one is "regenerated", "born again" during the last two thousand years.
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Rajk999 wants to teach that "the regeneration" of Matt. 19:28 means that no children of God have been born to God in the preceding age of the church.
Among the other questions which he could not answer there is the refutation of his interpretation from First John 3
The Apostle John speaks DURING the church age that NOW the Christians ARE God's children. That has to mean that they have been born again before the second coming of Christ and "the regeneration" (Matt. 19:28).
Behold, what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called the children of God, and we are. (First John 3:1)
We who have been born of the Spirit - been regenerated are NOW with God's life and in God's family as His children ... "and we are" .
"Beloved, now are we the children of God, and it has not yet been manifested what we will be. We know that if He is manifested, we will be like Him because we will see Him even as He is." (v.2)
Rajk999's false teaching is that the believers will only become born "children of God" at the transfiguration of the body. Then, he teaches, is when they are born again.
The New Testament says they were already born out of the Divine Father's love -
"Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called the children of God..."
"Beloved, NOW we are the children of God ..."
So they were "BORN AGAIN" - regenerated before the manifestation of Christ's second coming.
Galveston75 may have the sense not to try to rescue Rajk999 from his wrong teaching, though Galveston75 teaches something similar, I think.
@sonship saidThere are two major events in the life of the Christian before he gets eternal life
Rajk999 wants to teach that "the regeneration" of Matt. 19:28 means that no children of God have been born to God in the preceding age of the church.
Among the other questions which he could not answer there is the refutation of his interpretation from First John 3
The Apostle John speaks DURING the church age that NOW the Christians ARE God ...[text shortened]... ry to rescue Rajk999 from his wrong teaching, though Galveston75 teaches something similar, I think.
Here are the facts:
1. Born of Water
- Happens at baptism
- He may be given Holy Spirit gifts
- He has Gods Spirit
- He awaits the return of Christ for judgment
2. Born of the Spirit / Regeneration
- Takes place when Jesus returns
- Christians who are righteous are given a body like Christ
- Christians who are evil will be destroyed
- The regenerated Christian has a Spirit body and can move like the wind
#2 has not yet happened.
Your doctrine as usual is a bunch of nonsense church opinions.
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Readers, you will notice that Rajk999 double downs and re-asserts. But he does not deal with the SPECIFIC contradicting points raised in examination of his concepts.
This is being very dogmatic in a brute force kind of repetition.
He cannot deal with the specific problems to his teaching.
There are two major events in the life of the Christian before he gets eternal life
Here are the facts:
1. Born of Water
- Happens at baptism
- He may be given Holy Spirit gifts
- He has Gods Spirit
- He awaits the return of Christ for judgment
But Rajk999 ignores that the deadened human spirit is made divine life upon believing in the Justifying Savior. (Rom. 8:10)
"But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness." (Rom. 8:10)
The human spirit goes from being dead and "alienated from the life of God" (Eph. 4:18) to being "one spirit with the Lord" and becoming divine life.
The human being was spiritually dead.
The human being's human spirit is now life because of a new birth.
How can anyone say that that is not being born of the Spirit?
It is the Spirit that informs the regenerated person that NOW he or she is one of the children of God.
"The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God." (Rom. 8:14)
Rajk999's heresy is the men can become the children of God yet not yet be born of the Spirit. "God is Spirit ... " (John 4:24) .
What kind of BIRTH made fallen humans "children of God" Rajk999?
NO BIRTH made fallen sinners into children of God ?
He will not answer. He will probably dogmatically REPEAT his statements.
Children are born. God the Spirit gives birth to children of God by joining His Spirit with THEIR human spirit to enliven, quicken, bring from the comatose deadened state and into being "joined to the Lord"
All this is NOT being born of the Spirit to Rajk999.
The new children who now have the Spirit bearing witness with their spirit cry out newly "Daddy, Abba", they cry Abba or [Papa]. The Holy Spirit has caused them to be newborn children of the divine Father.
"For you have not received a spirit of slavery bringing you into fear again, but you have received a spirit of sonship in which we cry, Abba, Father!
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God." (Rom. 8:15,16)
But to Rajk999, none of this has to do with being "born of the Spirit".
Oh, no, no, no. To this heretic only resurrection of the body is being born of the Spirit. And even that is questionable since he ends up with a "spirit being" that has been resurrected.
Before the Spirit entered into me I was deadened and alienated from the life of God (Eph. 4:18).
When I received the Lord Jesus by calling on Him, my human spirit became divine LIFE. Part of my being is actually the life of God.
" ... the [human] spirit is life because of righteousness" (Rom. 8:10b)
Will I be robbed of my new birth "of the Spirit" because of some renegade (possible drop out) JW's X-student ? No indeed.
Reject Rajk999's - No born of the Spirit children of the Father during this age. Of course the ones whose spirit has become divine life, who received the Spirit and now cry "Abba, Father, Daddy, My God, My Papa, Abba Father!" are BORN of the Spirit.
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@rajk999 saidYour number 2 is actually a 2 and 3 since you are once again making an claim without backing it up. There are a myriad of scripture that speaks to our being born again, how God gives us His Holy Spirit in this life, how without God’s Spirit we are still in the flesh where no one can please God.
There are two major events in the life of the Christian before he gets eternal life
Here are the facts:
1. Born of Water
- Happens at baptism
- He may be given Holy Spirit gifts
- He has Gods Spirit
- He awaits the return of Christ for judgment
2. Born of the Spirit / Regeneration
- Takes place when Jesus returns
- Christians who are righteous are ...[text shortened]... the wind
#2 has not yet happened.
Your doctrine as usual is a bunch of nonsense church opinions.
Those outside of Christ are condemned already, those without the Spirit of God do not belong to Him. You can not abide in Him and He in you being outside of Christ.
@sonship
Terrible typo! Almost unforgivable.
I meant to write -
"the Spirit [a Person] bears witness [WITH] our spirit ..."
not without but with.
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Rajk999,
Explain what you mean by the resurrected (your "born of the Spirit" ) move like the invisible blowing wind?
Explain how Jesus speaking about not seeing the wind and it blows where it blows describing the physical movement of the resurrected in the millennium. (See Luke 22:30; Matt. 8:11)
Jesus said in the kingdom they will sit at table and drink the fruit of the vine. Do you think because they are blowing around like the invisible wind no one will be able to detect which seat one is sitting in ?
What do you mean that the blowing wind is a description of the resurrected?
@sonship saidWhere did I say that?
Rajk999,
Explain what you mean by the resurrected move like the wind?
Explain how Jesus speaking about not seeing the wind and it blows where it blows describing the physical movement of the resurrected in the millennium. (See Luke 22:30; Matt. 8:11)
Jesus said in the kingdom they will sit at table and drink the fruit of the vine. Do you think because they are ...[text shortened]... e is sitting in ?
What do you mean that the blowing wind is a description of the resurrected?
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@sonship saidYou are a deceitful crook.
@Rajk999Where did I say that?
Here:Jesus said that the regeneration takes place when He returns.
He has not returned. Therefore nobody is regenerated.
Born of the Spirit means that the person is no longer flesh and blood.
The person is a Spirit being that can move like the wind.
You edited your post.
In any case I said nothing about 'resurrected'.
Im actually getting very tired of your deceit and nonsense.
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You are a deceitful crook.
You edited your post.
Editing is not crooked.
Correcting phrasing, typos, clarification, spacing, eliminating white space, bolding or even re-wording are not in themselves crooked.
Now, when one changes a post so that it is substantially DIFFERENT in meaning, it is playing fair to let the readers KNOW that it was edited to THAT extent.
Now you appear to be staling and erecting a distraction of a strawman.
Answer the question about the so-called "born of the Spirit" (your style - resurrected) being as the blowing wind.
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@sonship saidWhy did you insert the word 'resurrected' in what I said.
@Rajk999You are a deceitful crook.
You edited your post.
Editing is not crooked.
Correcting phrasing, typos, clarification, spacing, eliminating white space, bolding or even re-wording are not in themselves crooked.
Now, when one changes a post so that it is substantially DIFFERENT in meaning, it is playing fair to let the readers KNOW that it was ...[text shortened]... out the so-called "born of the Spirit" (your style - resurrected) being as the blowing wind.
Like said you are a crooked man and full of deceit and lies.