@kellyjay saidIf this is true, why are you "evil and wicked" regardless? You keep insisting you are. Why don't your religious beliefs prevent you from being "evil and wicked" or result in you being less "evil and wicked"? Why do you believe it's enough to simply believe you are "forgiven" for being "evil and wicked" instead of actually working hard to not be "evil and wicked"? This "mercy" you believe in for people who have no obligation to be good or to do good works - and who are, you say, "forgiven" ~ for all intents and purposes ~ for believing they are "forgiven" [by Jesus] - is an incoherent version of "justice".
So many of our atrocities are done in the name of a greater good. Our greater good are always just some idiot’s idea they came up with using their own personal moral compass. Using their own world view filters, they justify themselves. When good acts with justice and mercy as only God can, truth without filters will do what is right.
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@fmf saidAn incoherent version of justice according to FMFs standard of justice. Who says FMFs standard of justice is the correct standard that everyone ought to follow?
If this is true, why are you "evil and wicked" regardless? You keep insisting you are. Why don't your religious beliefs prevent you from being "evil and wicked" or result in you being less "evil and wicked"? Why do you believe it's enough to simply believe you are "forgiven" for being "evil and wicked" instead of actually working hard to not be "evil and wicked"? This "mercy" you ...[text shortened]... and purposes ~ for believing they are "forgiven" [by Jesus] - is an incoherent version of "justice".
@dj2becker saidIf our whole lives are under judgment what would it matter if you were sinless from age 50 on and you lived till 95? The sins from birth till 50 still need to be answered for.
An incoherent version of justice according to FMFs standard of justice. Who says FMFs standard of justice is the correct standard that everyone ought to follow?
@kellyjay saidIt's all well and good you responding to one of dj2becker's generic word strings that sidesteps my point. What about what I said to you? Why are you sidestepping my post?
If our whole lives are under judgment what would it matter if you were sinless from age 50 on and you lived till 95? The sins from birth till 50 still need to be answered for.
@kellyjay saidYou aren't "answering for" your "evil and wicked" behaviour if you are simply telling yourself you are "forgiven" for it.
If our whole lives are under judgment what would it matter if you were sinless from age 50 on and you lived till 95? The sins from birth till 50 still need to be answered for.
@kellyjay said
So many of our atrocities are done in the name of a greater good. Our greater good are always just some idiot’s idea they came up with using their own personal moral compass. Using their own world view filters, they justify themselves. When good acts with justice and mercy as only God can, truth without filters will do what is right. The end result will last through eternity, His mercy lasts forever, so does His wrath.
Thought I'd throw this one in since it is a talk about Hell starting with several objections. Good speaker, David Pawson (49:13) he goes quite a lot of views looking at the details from metaphors, can a loving God, oblivion, and so on.
@kellyjay saidBut we do agree, I think, about Brunei's new laws. In specific terms, how does your moral compass' supposed "north star" guide us on THIS issue and why do you think it is better than the Sultan of Brunei's or Ghost of a Duke's?
No, I actually respect how you defend your beliefs. I just don’t agree with you.
@fmf saidSilly, I didn't ask you to prove that there are Christians who believe non-believers will be punished being tormented in burning flames for eternity. Of course there are!
I don't need to prove to you that there are Christians here who believe that the punishment for non-believers is them being tormented in burning flames for eternity.
I asked you for proof that any of the Christians posting in this forum believe in a "torturer god ideology" and have said they believe non-believers will be punished in the manner you say.
You're accusing someone, but can't prove it.
@fmf saidWhat is your belief "for things like treason, drug trafficking, slave trade, as well as rape [not theft]."?
I had in mind things like rape and theft. I am curious about the extent of your support for capital punishment. There is some support for the death penalty for things like treason, drug trafficking, slave trade, as well as rape [not theft]. But your belief in your God means you only support capital punishment for "first degree murder", right?
@secondson saidI don't have to prove anything to you.
I asked you for proof that any of the Christians posting in this forum believe in a "torturer god ideology" and have said they believe non-believers will be punished in the manner you say.
@secondson saidI have already said - on this thread - what my stance on capital punishment is. What's yours?
What is your belief "for things like treason, drug trafficking, slave trade, as well as rape [not theft]."?