Brunei's new laws

@rajk999 said
Ok... gotcha

Well it is what it is.

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

John 7:39
Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

John14
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

Acts 2
When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2
But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel:
“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.

Hebrews 10:29
How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

If you think the Spirit of God is someone to be blown off, your mistaken.

@rajk999 said
You made no point or at least it is not clear. The issue is that you have stated that those who profess their faith are given Gods Spirit and then and only then, can they live out their lives doing the good works that God has for them. This in effect is saying that these people WILL DO GOOD WORKS.

My point is that there is no such statement in the bible.

You agreed.

Now you quote Peter .. for what purpose I cannot understand because Peter is not agreeing with you.

What is a good work and a dead one?

Hebrews 9:13-15 English Standard Version (ESV)
For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

@kellyjay said
What is a good work and a dead one?

Hebrews 9:13-15 English Standard Version (ESV)
For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead ...[text shortened]... e a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

OK, so far we have from you:
- that all who have Gods Spirit will live out their lives doing good works
- that nobody did good works and lived righteously before Jesus Christ came to the earth.

OK.

@rajk999 said
OK, so far we have from you:
- that all who have Gods Spirit will live out their lives doing good works
- that nobody did good works and lived righteously before Jesus Christ came to the earth.

OK.

Romans 3:23
For there is no difference: for all have sinned, and are deprived of the glory of God,

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death went over all men: in whom all men have sinned.

You disagree with scripture, again?

@kellyjay said
Romans 3:23
For there is no difference: for all have sinned, and are deprived of the glory of God,

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death went over all men: in whom all men have sinned.

You disagree with scripture, again?

Are there anyone in the bible who are described as righteous or perfect or good?

@rajk999 said
Are there anyone in the bible who are described as righteous or perfect or good?

Sure, does that change that we have all sinned and fallen short? David was called a man after God's own heart, and he had someone murdered, and before that slept with that very man's wife getting her pregnant. That only shows that the very 'good' among us are all flawed, all have sinned and fallen short. Therefore taking the best of us, our goodness, still falls short of the truest definition of that word. There is only one that fits that word "good' and that is God, and only having God in us is our hope for glory.

Jesus said only God was good, the comparison there between us and God we all fall short, that is the truth.

Colossians 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
Which is the mystery hid since the world began, and from all ages, but now is made manifest to his Saints, to whom God would make known what is the riches of his glorious mystery among the Gentiles, which riches is Christ in you, the hope of glory, whom we preach, admonishing every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.

@rajk999 said
OK, so far we have from you:
- that all who have Gods Spirit will live out their lives doing good works
- that nobody did good works and lived righteously before Jesus Christ came to the earth.

OK.

You didn't answer this question.
What is a good work and a dead one?

@kellyjay said
Sure, does that change that we have all sinned and fallen short? David was called a man after God's own heart, and he had someone murdered, and before that slept with that very man's wife getting her pregnant. That only shows that the very 'good' among us are all flawed, all have sinned and fallen short. Therefore taking the best of us, our goodness, still falls short of the ...[text shortened]... ry man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.

So according to you nobody before the time of Christ can do good works and live righteously because they do not have the Holy Spirit which was only given to people after Christ.

@kellyjay said
You didn't answer this question.
What is a good work and a dead one?

Examples of good works were given by Christ all over the gospels. From Matt 25, I quoted a list of good works already. .. read it.

@rajk999 said
So according to you nobody before the time of Christ can do good works and live righteously because they do not have the Holy Spirit which was only given to people after Christ.

That wasn't what I said, you should read it again.

@rajk999 said
Examples of good works were given by Christ all over the gospels. From Matt 25, I quoted a list of good works already. .. read it.

What is a dead one?
Its the differences I want to see your opinion.
Can someone do a "good work" for bad reasons?
Can someone do a "dead work" for good reasons?

@kellyjay said
What is a dead one?
Its the differences I want to see your opinion.
Can someone do a "good work" for bad reasons?
Can someone do a "dead work" for good reasons?

Notice how I write. I post my belief and I support it with some references.
I do not ever fire questions at anyone. If I do ask a question it is rhetorical and require no answer. In answer to your question, Jesus is the judge of dead works. I know from the teachings of Christ what good works are.

@rajk999 said
Notice how I write. I post my belief and I support it with some references.
I do not ever fire questions at anyone. If I do ask a question it is rhetorical and require no answer. In answer to your question, Jesus is the judge of dead works. I know from the teachings of Christ what good works are.

I'm not debating what is and isn't a good work. I don't think anyone who does a good work is going to be forgiven of all their sins because of a good work, or two, or three, and so on. I do think those that are in Christ will be doing good works, not because they get anything out of it, but because they are going to be doing them out of their care for those they are acting to help.

You have not said one word yet about the Holy Spirit being required when I have given you scripture. You going to address the text or find some fault in me instead to spend your time with?

@kellyjay said
I'm not debating what is and isn't a good work. I don't think anyone who does a good work is going to be forgiven of all their sins because of a good work, or two, or three, and so on. I do think those that are in Christ will be doing good works, not because they get anything out of it, but because they are going to be doing them out of their care for those they are acting t ...[text shortened]... u scripture. You going to address the text or find some fault in me instead to spend your time with?

Jesus will decide who and how to forgive people of their sins. If you want to take it upon yourself to determine that then that is up to you. The Holy Spirit is not a requirement to do good works. I dont know where you get that from