c.o.e. and woman bishops.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You can dress it up as much as you like, but at the end of the day you don't read science books in case it diminishes your faith. Those are your words not mine.

Answer the question please.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Answer the question please.

Which question?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Does your kid believe in Santa?

they do. my eldest will be 8 soon and is starting to doubt it a bit, she's asking too many questions.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Which question?

have you read Darwins book and does that therefore make you more or less ignorant and close minded than me?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
they do. my eldest will be 8 soon and is starting to doubt it a bit, she's asking too many questions.

LOL, and now you will start faffing about or hope that she learns the reality from her peers at school?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
have you read Darwins book and does that therefore make you more or less ignorant and close minded than me?

I have read the intro and part of the first chapter, but i have also read 7 or 8 books on evolution. The point is that you steadfastly refuse to read anything on the topic because it conflicts with your religious beliefs, i on the other hand am more than happy to read any literature. Can you say the same? No.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]Who cares what that church does, if you do not
like the way they do things, find one that goes along with your views if they are
that important to you.

your implication here is that if woman dont like the rules of the church. rather than change the church they are in they should go and find a church that does. i think its fair to draw a pa ...[text shortened]... he woman of the c.o.e should stand up for their rights and fight the inequality of their church.[/b]

I do not think it is a fair comparison; she had to deal with public transportation
while there are several churches, each one can either be something you like
or dislike, or choose to not attend any. That is not true of public transportation
if that is what you require to get around. If you dislike a way a business does
things, by all means go to another, you have choices. If a religion feels some
things are good and others bad, and you believe that church is pushing upon
you if you join it an inequality, don't join it! Seems simple enough to me, it is
not like your forced to join it.
Kelly

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Does your kid believe in Santa?

Well December 25 will soon be here and yes you know what that means.
Yes it's that man again with the funny uniform and the big sack.

Yes. That's right it's him again.

The f***@@@ mailman with a big gas bill.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I have read the intro and part of the first chapter, but i have also read 7 or 8 books on evolution. The point is that you steadfastly refuse to read anything on the topic because it conflicts with your religious beliefs, i on the other hand am more than happy to read any literature. Can you say the same? No.

Sooo, I have read at least half of that God forsaken tome, which is practically more
than any man can bear and you have read the introduction and the first chapter and
yet pronounce me ignorant and close minded when in fact the empirical evidence is one
contrary to that which is being asserted. Once again, I find myself in the position of
having to elevate the scientific method to dispel error and establish the truth. Is there
no end to this torment?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
LOL, and now you will start faffing about or hope that she learns the reality from her peers at school?

she pointed out the other day that in movies nobody ever believes he exists and wanted to know why. much faffing ensued.

im seriously thinking of not observing christmas in the future. im not religious and im getting sick of the commercialism. i dont mind kids getting a few toys, its the waste of adults buying each other crap because they feel like they have to.

Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
Well December 25 will soon be here and yes you know what that means.
Yes it's that man again with the funny uniform and the big sack.

Yes. That's right it's him again.

The f***@@@ mailman with a big gas bill.

get a wood burning stove, its pure roasty toasty ad carbon neutral and gas bill
neutralising as well.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
she pointed out the other day that in movies nobody ever believes he exists and wanted to know why. much faffing ensued.

im seriously thinking of not observing christmas in the future. im not religious and im getting sick of the commercialism. i dont mind kids getting a few toys, its the waste of adults buying each other crap because they feel like they have to.

People are under a lot of pressure, for sure.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Sooo, I have read at least half of that God forsaken tome, which is practically more
than any man can bear and you have read the introduction and the first chapter and
yet pronounce me ignorant and close minded when in fact the empirical evidence is one
contrary to that which is being asserted. Once again, I find myself in the position of
ha ...[text shortened]... e scientific method to dispel error and establish the truth. Is there
no end to this torment?

Give it a rest.

I don't pronounce you ignorant and closed minded, you said so yourself. They are your own words. You admitted it on this very forum. Goodness grief.

You admitted to not reading any scientific literature which contradicts your religious beliefs for fear that it may 'diminish your convictions'. Again, those are your words. Why not just be a man and accept that is this case, why this big long drawn out saga every time in which you pretend to be something which your blatantly not?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Give it a rest.

I don't pronounce you ignorant and closed minded, you said so yourself. They are your own words. You admitted it on this very forum. Goodness grief.

You admitted to not reading any scientific literature which contradicts your religious beliefs for fear that it may 'diminish your convictions'. Again, those are your words. Why not ju ...[text shortened]... long drawn out saga every time in which you pretend to be something which your blatantly not?

Even Galileo's assertions were likewise treated with contempt by his peers, how i feel his pain. Actually my position is somewhat similar to those who reject naturalism and more in line with Newtonian principles, that an observation of the universe is a way to get an insight into the intelligence behind it. You are correct I reject all forms which limit the search for these truths to unintelligent agencies.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
People are under a lot of pressure, for sure.

theres only so many willy warmers a man can wear!!!