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Originally posted by FMF
No one has claimed that you fabricated or invented the Jesus story. The insinuation that anyone has is a straw man, sonship.
No one has claimed that you fabricated or invented the Jesus story. The insinuation that anyone has is a straw man, sonship.
Ya said its a superstitious figment of my imagination.
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Originally posted by sonshipA figment of the imagination is a fantastic notion, an imagined story or theory, something your imagination seizes upon or imagines to be real. I have not claimed that the story of Jesus originated with you; I have not claimed that the story of Jesus is something you invented. It is, as we both know, approximately 2,000 years older than you.
So let's see now - no one has claimed any fabrication of any part of the Son of God story by me.
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Originally posted by FMF
A figment of the imagination is a fantastic notion, an imagined story or theory, something your imagination seizes upon or imagines to be real.
I see. Sounds like some atheists I know.
Now I am presently imagining in my imagination Mr. Everest.
Does that mean it doesn't exist ?
I have not claimed that the story of Jesus originated with you; I have not claimed that the story of Jesus is something you invented. It is, as we both know, approximately 2,000 years older than you.
Yes, the gospel has marvelously stood the test of time.
Good point.
Originally posted by sonshipDo you need a supernatural being to punish you or forgive you for being dishonest to your wife? Do you think I do?
i recognize that though I love my wife, sometimes I was less than totally honest with her. And she with me. You're a swell guy. But I think you probably have not always been completely honest with your wife too.
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Well then you should at least be able to empathize with people who find your notions outlandish if you you have the same feeling about their beliefs..FMF: A figment of the imagination is a fantastic notion, an imagined story or theory, something your imagination seizes upon or imagines to be real.
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I see. Sounds like some atheists I know.
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Originally posted by FMF
I have not claimed that the Jesus story originated with you. It's a straw man. And yes, if you believe in supernatural causality, then you are superstitious.
And yes, if you believe in supernatural causality, then you are superstitious.
At this present time I am compelled to because energy, matter, time, space are believed by many cosmologists to have had a BEGINNING.
Mostly die hard atheists scared where the notion may lead them are hand-waving around a theory that either "nothing" is not really nothing or there are infinite numbers of universes.
Surely in one of these we can hide out from God in peace.
LOL.
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Originally posted by FMFMy point was made. Being a good family man, does not for me, mean no ultimate One to whom final allegiance is due and transcends all other relationships - in that even though they are quite legitimate.
Do you need a supernatural being to punish you or forgive you for being dishonest to your wife? Do you think I do?
"He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of Me"
You must recall Jesus saying that. He meant nothing can be placed as a idol to replace His priority.
Anything that replaces God is a an idol.
I too love my family. They are not idols to usurp the highest place in my being for God.
In fact I have found this the very best way to love them effectively.
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Originally posted by FMFChrist is the most normal man. So on one hand "supernatural" I could apply to Jesus. But on the other hand His incarnation renders Him absolutely among and with us.
Do you need a supernatural being to punish you or forgive you for being dishonest to your wife? Do you think I do?
I need Him to purify my fallen love infusing that emotion with Himself - the highest normal man who ever lived.
I think your quip about "supernatural" fails to appreciate that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. He became like us so that we might also become like Him.
What's your better plan for human beings ?
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Originally posted by sonshipAlternative to what? If you want to read your Bible, and go to prayer meetings, and mix with people who believe - like you - that they are immortal and read stuff that confirms it and confirms it and confirms it again in your mind, then go ahead and do it. Why do you need me to offer you an alternative?
Either that or your monumental evasion in the face of a poverty of alternatives.