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Originally posted by checkbaiterBump for me? Do you need my response so urgently ... just after a couple hours?
bump for Rajk999
Originally posted by checkbaiterYou take a clear verse like the Isaiah passage and say its absurd. If it is so absurd then it should be an easy matter to show how and why. So do that instead of discarding what Isaiah said without explanation..
Where do I start? You pick and choose what verses you like but ignore others that you don't like.
First you quote Isaiah 45:5-8, "God creates darkness and evil." This is absurd!
I suggest that you learn a little more about figures of speech in the bible.
There is a figure used in the bible called "Metonymy" [hidden]a figure of speech that consists ...[text shortened]... to reconcile verses of scripture that contradict each other. Otherwise all you have is religion.
Originally posted by Rajk999See what I mean? I explained figures of speech like "Metonymy" and you completely ignore the clear verses and the contradictions.
You take a clear verse like the Isaiah passage and say its absurd. If it is so absurd then it should be an easy matter to show how and why. So do that instead of discarding what Isaiah said without explanation..
Your point in the last paragraph is about who to blame. Here is an explanation from Paul about that same issue..
[i]Blessed is the man that en ...[text shortened]... r his falling into temptation. Man brought sin into the world and man has to deal with his sin.
Originally posted by checkbaiterSo what do we have so far:
See what I mean? I explained figures of speech like "Metonymy" and you completely ignore the clear verses and the contradictions.
Originally posted by Rajk999No problem, I'm not going to get into a long back and forth with you...Peace..🙂
So what do we have so far:
- The Devil [who Christ said is a liar] claiming that he has all authority and Christ did not respond to that [ I dont accept your view that Christ's silence means acceptance that the Devil is actually in charge like he says etc]
- Christ saying that all authority is given to him, obviously God gave him that. [ I dont accept ...[text shortened]... just does not cut it. The world has far more good and just and right things about it, than evil.
Originally posted by galveston75The Devil is basically like a rabid dog on a leash.......and God holds that leash and is in full control of all or do the scriptures mean nothing? Job is an interesting insight into how the devil basically must be allowed to do and obey God in any matter. As far as the Fallen Angels it is a warning to man that we must repent (be changed by God) or we will suffer their fate. Maybe God does love all of the angels as these were his creation but some chose to rebel against God.
He ignors and side steps quite often. Always has and always will I guess.
Originally posted by menace71
People many times think that Good(God) and Evil are equally matched but this is a fallacy as God is in control and all powerful and scriptures teach that if there is really anyone to fear it is God himself
Christ or Judgment
Hebrews 10
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifi ...[text shortened]... kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Manny
]People many times think that Good(God) and Evil are equally matched but this is a fallacy as God is in control and all powerful and scriptures teach that if there is really anyone to fear it is God himself
Originally posted by checkbaiterOk, force me to respond. God is in control. Satan does have free will, as we all do. Satan could not exist without God.]People many times think that Good(God) and Evil are equally matched but this is a fallacy as God is in control and all powerful and scriptures teach that if there is really anyone to fear it is God himself
They are nowhere near equal, of course God is vastly superior, but He is not in control of everything that happens...and it is sil ...[text shortened]... n decisions?
http://www.truthortradition.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=724[/b]
Originally posted by menace71I remember the time before the fall of Lucifer. When the Angels were as children before God. It was beautiful to behold.
The King of Tyre
Tyre’s King Overthrown Ezekiel 28
28 The word of the Lord came again to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, say to the leader of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord God,
“Because your heart is lifted up
And you have said, ‘I am a god,
I sit in the seat of gods
In the heart of the seas’;
Yet you are a man and not God,
Although you make yo ...[text shortened]... Are appalled at you;
You have become terrified
And you will cease to be forever.”’”
Manny