Originally posted by galveston75Well thank you for that. You have enlightened me and I won't the same mistake again. As for the part about never seeing RJHinds at my door, I'll be glad about that! 🙂
Hummm. Not quite true. I have been a JW all my life and I've never been told, heard from the stage or have read in any book that we "have to convert" anyone within our lifetime.
We have no such rule or command. We come to your door only to share the "good news" that Jesus shared with all he came into contact with and that is with the hope that some wo ...[text shortened]... least why it is to be done and even if he did he has no spiritual knowledge to "instruct" with.
Originally posted by RJHindsIf everybody did that, we would have a barrage of "The teacher", "The prostitute", "The pizza delivery person" and so forth. It looks ridiculous and is rather embarrassing.
Why should you criticize me for that. I was an Instructor in the U.S. Army Signal School. I am honorably retired now. However, I am now instructing the ignorant, like yourself, about the good news of Christ.
The Instructor
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-Removed-A bunch of quotes which you clearly do not understand.
I will take the trouble to educate you because what happens to many Christians is that they would like to believe that you can say with your mouth that they believe in Christ and that works is an insult to Christ .. they therefore continue on with they worldly, greedy selfish sinful lifestyle oblivious to the fact that they are heading to damnation.
The Book of Romans in the first few chapters which you quoted extensively from, is a discourse to the Jews, who believed that they were in some superior position to the Gentiles and that it was necessary to follow the Law of Moses and to be circumcised etc. Hence Pauls constant reference to the works of the Law of Moses not being able to save anyone and that Christ is the new saviour of both Jews and Gentiles. If you are interested in understanding rather than blindly quoting please read Romans chapters 1 - 5.
There is nothing in your references which contradict what Christ or James or John said about the requirement to do good works in order to get eternal life. Good works is required otherwise you are heading to damnation.
Obviously you and your type have abandoned the teachings of Christ and chosen the path of sin and evil. Good luck with that.
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Originally posted by Rajk999
A bunch of quotes which you clearly do not understand.
I will take the trouble to educate you because what happens to many Christians is that they would like to believe that you can say with your mouth that they believe in Christ and that works is an insult to Christ .. they therefore continue on with they worldly, greedy selfish sinful lifestyle obliviou ...[text shortened]... have abandoned the teachings of Christ and chosen the path of sin and evil. Good luck with that.
I will take the trouble to educate you because what happens to many Christians is that they would like to believe that you can say with your mouth that they believe in Christ and that works is an insult to Christ .. they therefore continue on with they worldly, greedy selfish sinful lifestyle oblivious to the fact that they are heading to damnation.
So you think that the answer to every single problem of Christian arrested maturity is only damnation ?
So you think damnation is God's one answer to any and all spiritual problems of His redeemed people ?
Originally posted by Rajk999I don't think you have ever seen anyone here say we will not do good
A bunch of quotes which you clearly do not understand.
I will take the trouble to educate you because what happens to many Christians is that they would like to believe that you can say with your mouth that they believe in Christ and that works is an insult to Christ .. they therefore continue on with they worldly, greedy selfish sinful lifestyle obliviou ...[text shortened]... have abandoned the teachings of Christ and chosen the path of sin and evil. Good luck with that.
works, the works are a physical manifestation of us walking out our faith, it
is our faith that causes us to do the works that matters
Kelly
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Originally posted by sonshipIf you want me to respond to your posts you need to use language that is used in the Bible. eg the Bible does not contain the term 'Triune God' so I cannot know what that means notwithstanding your lengthy explanations.
[quote] I will take the trouble to educate you because what happens to many Christians is that they would like to believe that you can say with your mouth that they believe in Christ and that works is an insult to Christ .. they therefore continue on with they worldly, greedy selfish sinful lifestyle oblivious to the fact that they are heading to damnation. ...[text shortened]... u think damnation is God's one answer to any and all spiritual problems of His redeemed people ?
The Bible says nothing about 'Christian arrested maturity' so I dont really know what that means.
I will point out that there are a couple verses that seems to answer your question:
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
(Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV)
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
(Hebrews 10:38-39 KJV)
I hope you understand it. Its pretty clear and there are several such statements in the New Testament. So your explanations which are contrary to the Bible are just plain nonsense.
Originally posted by KellyJayI have heard many say that good works are an insult to Christ, and that they live by faith only. Works means you dont what the gift of salvation .. etc.
I don't think you have ever seen anyone here say we will not do good
works, the works are a physical manifestation of us walking out our faith, it
is our faith that causes us to do the works that matters
Kelly
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I may have missed it, but was it said in this thread?
I have seen it said too, but the context is what matters.
If someone thinks Christ dying for them is not enough that they have to
earn God's grace and mercy, I'd say that is an insult, you do not earn a
gift.
To be very clear here I am NOT saying we will not work as we obey the
Lord we will do the good works He has for us, we cannot call Him Lord if we are
not obeying Him! Our righteousness is found in Him, that has been finished,
and now we walk out our faith obeying God.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayAnd the way you phrase it it sounds fine. But if you say that you are saved once you accept Christ with your mouth and after that you cannot lose your salvation then thats total nonsense.
I may have missed it, but was it said in this thread?
I have seen it said too, but the context is what matters.
If someone thinks Christ dying for them is not enough that they have to
earn God's grace and mercy, I'd say that is an insult, you do not earn a
gift.
To be very clear here I am NOT saying we will not work as we obey the
Lord we will d ...[text shortened]... ness is found in Him, that has been finished,
and now we walk out our faith obeying God.
Kelly
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I pointed out to you that of the Romans quotes you posted Paul was speaking to the Jews about the Law of Moses. You are taking the phrase 'works of the Law' to mean all good works. whereas it means the works of the Law of Moses. Have you got a comment about that?
I never said you are an apostate. Jaywill/sonship is though. He is preaching a totally new doctrine about the Triune God which the Apostles did not preach. We on the other hand are thrashing out an interpretation of what the Apostles did actually say. There is a big difference.