Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeRomans 14:2&3
'It is written, for those who eat meat should not envy/argue with those who only think you can eat veggies.'
Where is that written?
"People range from those who believe they may eat any sort of meat to those whose faith is so weak they dare not eat anything except vegetables. Meat eaters must not despise the scrupulous. On the other hand, the scrupulous must not condemn those who feel free to eat anything they choose, since God has welcomed them. "
This quote is from the Jerusalem Bible. I'm sure other bibles will have a simular version.
Originally posted by FMFi think they haven't read it yet. i just posted it.
It's interesting how no Christains confronted him over his 'that would be wrong' teaching.
most of the Christians on this forum don't like my views here anyways, so they just ignor me.
I don't condemn the population of the earth just because they don't "know" Jesus. I believe it isn't "knowing" Him in the mind that saves us. It is simply Love
Originally posted by Rajk999In that thread I am concerned with how the Christian can live the commands of Jesus.
Sonship and I, are on opposite sides of Christianity. I believe in following the commandments of Christ. Sonship believes in talking and thinking about Christ and places no value in the commandments and in DOING good works. He has started yet another thread 'Christ vs a High Moral Code', which is designed to prove that commandments need not be followed, because fallen man cannot live as Jesus commanded.
The same is true of this thread. Both threads are concerned with living Christ.
Both threads are really about "Now that one has become a Christian, what next ?"
In this thread I seek to save some people years of foundering around by realizing sooner rather than latter - In Christ is all that one needs to live to God.
The other thread approached much of the same question in another way.
Originally posted by sonshipNothing that you say tells anyone about the commandments of Jesus. All the law and prophets [in other words, everything in the world, everything that the Christian must do], centers around the basic teaching of love and charity or 'love your neighbour as yourself'. You never preach that. You are in fact against that doctrine because you say it is trying to do good works and is legalistic. Your teachings are therefore false and contrary to Christ.
In that thread I am concerned with how the Christian can live the commands of Jesus.
The same is true of this thread. Both threads are concerned with living Christ.
Both threads are really about "Now that one has become a Christian, what next ?"
In this thread I seek to save some people years of foundering around by realizing sooner rather than ...[text shortened]... needs to live to God.
The other thread approached much of the same question in another way.
After becoming a Christian, the question of what next is made clear by the Apostles. .. righteous living, avoiding sin, and doing good works. Failure to do that results in eternal damnation. That is clear. Again you preach another doctrine, one centered around talking and thinking things about Christ.
Originally posted by sonshipIts more than just obeying words, as important as that is, being known by Jesus as one
In that thread I am concerned with how the Christian can live the commands of Jesus.
The same is true of this thread. Both threads are concerned with living Christ.
Both threads are really about "Now that one has become a Christian, what next ?"
In this thread I seek to save some people years of foundering around by realizing sooner rather than ...[text shortened]... needs to live to God.
The other thread approached much of the same question in another way.
of His is very important. Jesus did tell some who were reminding Him of the good things
they did in His name, to depart from Him, He never knew them, calling them workers of
iniquity. Trusting in their works did nothing for them, even works they did in His name.
If we do not believe in Jesus, scripture declares we will be condemn already. Jesus is
either our Lord and Savior, or He is not. So on judgement day we could find ourselves
standing before God clothed in just our own sinner's righteousness, to be cast in Hell for
our sins.
Originally posted by KellyJayYou continue with your unbiblical comments. Obedience to Christ's commandments IS THE VERY SAME THING AS KNOWING CHRIST. Here is what John says:
Its more than just obeying words, as important as that is, being known by Jesus as one
of His is very important. Jesus did tell some who were reminding Him of the good things
they did in His name, to depart from Him, He never knew them, calling them workers of
iniquity. Trusting in their works did nothing for them, even works they did in His name.
If ...[text shortened]... ing before God clothed in just our own sinner's righteousness, to be cast in Hell for
our sins.
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.(1 John 2:3-5 KJV)
John says YOU KNOW CHIRST when you keep the commandments.
The Bible says it the other way around as well. CHRIST KNOWS YOU, when you keep his commandments.
Originally posted by Rajk999Surely Jesus would not be in favor of bearing false witness towards another, either.
Sonship and I, are on opposite sides of Christianity. I believe in following the commandments of Christ. Sonship believes in talking and thinking about Christ and places no value in the commandments and in DOING good works. He has started yet another thread 'Christ vs a High Moral Code', which is designed to prove that commandments need not be followed, because fallen man cannot live as Jesus commanded.
You speak from both sides of your mouth.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeIf a Christian turns away from God there is no salvation anywhere else, and they will be
Speaking plainly, if a Christian turns away from God, does he also turn away from salvation?
doomed. From that point on it will not matter what they do or say. So things you need to
be clear on, what is it they had, was it a real relationship with God with the Holy Spirit?
What if they only called themselves Christian and never really knew the Lord? What was
it they are turning away from then? If it was the lie they were living, if so that wasn't turning
away from God, that would be turning away from a lie, which is a good thing.
If they did indeed have Christ, if they were filled with the Holy Spirit of God and they
turned away, they are walking through life now condemned, and the only thing they have
to forward too will be the harsh reality of God's wrath they brought upon themselves.
There will never be another chance for them to get right with God.
This isn't the same thing where someone struggling with sins falls and turns back to God
asking for forgiveness. This is turning away and rejecting Christ's salvation.
Hebrews 6:
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Originally posted by KellyJayIs there some part of the bible that says anything about a real relationship with God?
If a Christian turns away from God there is no salvation anywhere else, and they will be
doomed. From that point on it will not matter what they do or say. So things you need to
be clear on, what is it they had, was it a real relationship with God with the Holy Spirit?
What if they only called themselves Christian and never really knew the Lord? What was ...[text shortened]... pentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
You seem to be making that your core argument.
I have to say I have never seen that in the bible.