Originally posted by Rajk999Eternal life is not life at all.
Love and charity is the Key to eternal life.
It is not claims of faith or belief.
It is not claims of knowing Christ.
Love and charity means that the Christian is actually following Christ's commandments and not just practicing mouth worship or lip service which God hates.
As Christ said a doxen times, eternal life is for those who follow the commandments.
It's this Christendom thing that you believe in.
Let go Luke.
Originally posted by karoly aczelAnyone can claim to be Christian! Don't listen to the claim, look at the life. If someone is
Then do you know why so many Christians hate?
The KKK claim to be Christian.
I'm spiritual an stuff but why would I call myself a "Christian" ?
hateful, if they claim to be self-righteous, are always putting others down it doesn't sound
like there is a lot of love flowing from that life. I don't try to worry about how is and isn't, that
is not up to me but God, He knows His own.
Originally posted by KellyJaySo, is a Christian discernible by their actions and the way they conduct their lives?
Anyone can claim to be Christian! Don't listen to the claim, look at the life. If someone is
hateful, if they claim to be self-righteous, are always putting others down it doesn't sound
like there is a lot of love flowing from that life. I don't try to worry about how is and isn't, that
is not up to me but God, He knows His own.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeYes. and there are those that do not know Christ yet are Christian in their heart because they live it without knowing it.
So, is a Christian discernible by their actions and the way they conduct their lives?
As the scripture states, God knows His children - but it never really says His children know Him.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeBy the fruit of their lives, yes. If Christ resides in them love of God and man should be a
So, is a Christian discernible by their actions and the way they conduct their lives?
very important part of their lives in all areas. If someone is new to God I imagine that God
will be working on them so they start living in His grace and mercy.
Originally posted by PudgenikWe part company here, Jesus said He is the way, truth, light and no one comes to the
Yes. and there are those that do not know Christ yet are Christian in their heart because they live it without knowing it.
As the scripture states, God knows His children - but it never really says His children know Him.
Father except through Him. Scripture also teaches those that do not believe in Him are
condemned already.
Originally posted by KellyJayWe don't really part company, it is that you don't understand me, and i know that. In the end, Heaven, everything will be made clear.
We part company here, Jesus said He is the way, truth, light and no one comes to the
Father except through Him. Scripture also teaches those that do not believe in Him are
condemned already.
Why does Jesus and the Apostle Paul continue to make exceptions for those who are not baptized as most understand it.
Listen to what Jesus says, " Not everyone who says 'Lord Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only the one who does the will of the Father"
The will of the Father, certainly to "us" it includes following the commandments and loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself. Yet Jesus also states things like, "truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the Kingdom of God ahead of you. " Yes He is talking to the Pharisees, but was He not talking to us to, now!
Again and again Jesus speaks of what each of us has done. Matt 16:27, etc.
Paul continues in this same bent, "For those who know the law will be judged by the law, and for those who do not know the law will be judged by the law written in their hearts." i'll cont. this later, have to go
Originally posted by PudgenikThe problem with your quote is you are justifying those who do not call Jesus Lord. That quote is speaking to those who falsely claim that they belong to Christ and serve Him.
We don't really part company, it is that you don't understand me, and i know that. In the end, Heaven, everything will be made clear.
Why does Jesus and the Apostle Paul continue to make exceptions for those who are not baptized as most understand it.
Listen to what Jesus says, " Not everyone who says 'Lord Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but ...[text shortened]... w the law will be judged by the law written in their hearts." i'll cont. this later, have to go
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Originally posted by Pudgenik
As the scripture states, God knows His children - but it never really says His children know Him.
Have you ever read about God's promise of a new covenant? In those words He says -
" But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares Jehovah ...
And they will no longer teach, each man his neighbor, saying, Know Jehovah;
for all will know Me, from the little one among them even to the great one among them,
for I will forgive their iniquities and their sin I will remember no more." (See Jeremiah 31:33-34)
Doesn't it say there that His people (His children) will know Him?
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The thread's title - Christ is all the "things"
I find it hard to believe that someone said God's children are never said to know God. This cannot be right.
Now, we have in Colossians the proclamation that all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in Christ.
"In whom [Christ] all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden." (Col. 2:3)
Where are all ... ALL the treasures of wisdom and knowledge, including the knowledge of God? They are hidden in Christ. And for that reason Paul exhorts the church to be GROUNDED stedfastly in Christ. Praise the Lord !
"... continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast and not being moved away from the hope of the gospel, which you heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, of which I Paul became a minister." (Col. 1:23b)
Paul also says the believer have been rooted and built up in this One in whom all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are:
" Having been rooted and being built up in Him, and being established in the faith even as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving." (2:7)
Originally posted by sonshipJeremiah is speaking of the nation of IsraelAs the scripture states, God knows His children - but it never really says His children know Him.
Have you ever read about God's promise of [b] a new covenant? In those words He says -" But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares Jehovah ...
And they will no longer ...[text shortened]... h 31:33-34)
Doesn't it say there that His people (His children) will know Him?[/b]
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Originally posted by Rajk999Yes the promise is spoken to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah as it says.
Jeremiah is speaking of the nation of Israel
Then Jesus in the New Testament said that the kingdom of God would be taken from the theocratic nation of Israel and given to another "nation" producing its fruits (Matt. 21:43). The discipline is temporary.
The church in Jerusalem surely started out to be all Jews. Gradually it became the Gospel to Jews and Gentiles together as the "one new man," the new covenant church.
. American King James Version
Therefore say I to you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
American Standard Version
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.