Christ returned & selected the JWs .. it is alleged :)

Originally posted by FMF
So you believe that if non-Christians live a virtuous life, they have the possibility of going to "heaven"?

There's only one way to "heaven".

Eternal life is the gift of God. It isn't earned by "doing" or "being" good. No matter how "virtuous" one is, without Christ they are lost.

I'll leave the judging to God.

Originally posted by sonhouse
What if the mores and such are way different from ours, like in some tribes it is ok to cut out a girl's clitoris and has been going on for hundreds of years. So would your god condemn them for that practice or others that we would consider bad?

No sane individual would ever cut out a girls clitoris.

Originally posted by josephw
There's only one way to "heaven".

Eternal life is the gift of God. It isn't earned by "doing" or "being" good. No matter how "virtuous" one is, without Christ they are lost.

I'll leave the judging to God.

You just said God will judge non-Christians "...on the basis of their conscience. Everyone knows the difference between right and wrong". Now you say "without Christ they are lost". Which is it to be?

Originally posted by josephw
No sane individual would ever cut out a girls clitoris.

No sane individual would execute a homosexual for being a homosexual.

Originally posted by FMF
You just said God will judge non-Christians "...on the basis of their conscience. Everyone knows the difference between right and wrong". Now you say "without Christ they are lost". Which is it to be?

Both. If one had never heard of Christ, and lived a life true to their conscience, then God would judge them on that basis.

But no one has eternal life without Christ.

Originally posted by FMF
No sane individual would execute a homosexual for being a homosexual.

I agree.

Except I don't agree with your use of terms.

Originally posted by josephw
I agree.

Except I don't agree with your use of terms.

There are death sentences for homosexuals, albeit historical, written in the 'holy literature' of your religion.

Originally posted by josephw
Both. If one had never heard of Christ, and lived a life true to their conscience, then God would judge them on that basis.

But no one has eternal life without Christ.

This would be doublethink on your part, then.

Originally posted by FMF
There are death sentences for homosexuals, albeit historical, written in the 'holy literature' of your religion.

That's correct.

Originally posted by josephw
That's correct.

Was it "insane"?

Originally posted by FMF
This would be doublethink on your part, then.

So it may appear to you.

I'll break it down to a few simple abstractions.

God is Holy. Man sinned. God so loved the world that He gave His son.

God's justice is without flaw.

Originally posted by FMF
Was it "insane"?

Is it insane to obey God?

Originally posted by josephw
Is it insane to obey God?

I suggested that no sane individual would execute a homosexual for being a homosexual. You said "I agree". Now you seem to be backtracking. Which is it to be?

Originally posted by josephw
Is it insane to obey God?

So you are ok with the killing of homosexuals simply because they are gay?
BTW, the act of clitoris removal is practiced today and has been in the past and if that tribe never saw, heard of, or read about Jesus, they are all insane and therefore bound for hell?

Originally posted by josephw
God's justice is without flaw.

So what do you mean by "justice" when you say that God will judge non-Christians on the basis of their conscience?