Originally posted by josephwReligionists believe that they know what "God's instructions" are, they adhere to a religious dogma that is constructed to propagate these "instructions", and they purport - through the terms of reference of that religious dogma - to know what humans have to do to have "eternal life". You are one of the most prominent religionists among the regular posters here.
If you want to label me a "religionists" because of what I "believe", then have at it.
Originally posted by FMFPerhaps you're not understanding me.
Well if you can't - or don't want to - explain what you meant then I'm willing drop it. I asked you 'So what do you mean by "justice" when you say that God will judge non-Christians on the basis of their conscience?" and now you don't seem able to answer.
God's justice. God will judge. In the end eternal life is a gift of God's grace and cannot be earned by any act of performance by man. Eternal life was earned for us by what Jesus did on the cross.
It was God's justice that nailed Jesus to the cross. The penalty for sin is death.
Justice.
Signing off. I'll look back.
Originally posted by josephwMaybe I am understanding this wrong...
Do you think killing homosexuals is just? Why should I?
Do you think crime of any kind should go unpunished?
Do you think homosexuality is a crime? Are you one of those people who think that anything the bible says is wrong equals a crime?
Originally posted by josephwWhat I understand from what you have written is that you have made an assertion or two that you don't seem willing to stand by but nor do you wish to simply say so. You said that 'God will judge [non-Christians] on the basis of their conscience. Everyone knows the difference between right and wrong.' But you also said "without Christ they are lost". So, so when God judges non-Christians on the basis of their conscience, are non-Christians "lost" regardless of which way God judges their conscience?
Perhaps you're not understanding me.
God's justice. God will judge. In the end eternal life is a gift of God's grace and cannot be earned by any act of performance by man. Eternal life was earned for us by what Jesus did on the cross.
It was God's justice that nailed Jesus to the cross. The penalty for sin is death.
Justice.
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Originally posted by FMFre·li·gion 
What I understand from what you have written is that you have made an assertion or two that you don't seem willing to stand by but nor do you wish to simply say so. You said that 'God will judge [non-Christians] on the basis of their conscience. Everyone knows the difference between right and wrong.' But you also said "without Christ they are lost". So, so when ...[text shortened]... onscience, are non-Christians "lost" regardless of which way God judges their conscience?
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
Who's definition is it? Obviously yours. But not mine.
I say, religion is man's creation. Religion is man's way of performance designed to establish a relationship with God. It's an age old addiction, and comes in as many forms as there are men.
It seems odd to me that you would know what is valid concerning a relationship with God since you don't believe there is any way of knowing what constitutes a valid relationship with God. Yet you are cocksure you know who's wrong.
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Originally posted by josephwYou just do not want to answer the question, do you? 😵
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noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
Who's definition is it? Obviously yours. But what constitutes a valid relationship with God. Yet you are cocksure you know who's wrong.
Originally posted by josephwYour definition of "religion" leads you to believe there are 7,000,000,000 "religions"?
I say, religion is man's creation. Religion is man's way of performance designed to establish a relationship with God. It's an age old addiction, and comes in as many forms as there are men.
Originally posted by FMFYes. It's your problem. You must win the debate even when you know you're wrong.
I have pointed out your doublethink, specifically. Where do you think I have demonstrated it in these last few pages? Do you even know what the word doublethink actually means?
I answered, but you are willfully dense. You know about Christ. You will be judged by God on that basis; whether you trusted in God's provision(Christ), or rejected Christ, to your loss.
But for the one who had never heard of Christ God will judge according to their conscience, but salvation is always through Christ.
If you have a problem with that, then you are doublethinking.
Originally posted by josephwSo this "judgement" you are talking about has nothing to do with "salvation"? What does this "judgement" for non-Christians entail and how is it connected to their "conscience"?
But for the one who had never heard of Christ God will judge according to their conscience, but salvation is always through Christ.