21 Nov 05
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Originally posted by blindfaith101Roman Catholics and indeed most Christians believe that there are souls in Heaven now. A literal reading of the parable of Lazarus would also support such a view. Your belief otherwise is held by a tiny minority of "Christians".
How can mary interseed for any one she is dead in her grave.
EDIT: Luke 16:22-23: 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels into Abraham's bosom: and the rich man also died, and was buried.
23 And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by BromageHave you even been to a church recently?
Christianity used to be the sacrifice of onesself for the benefit of all mankind. That is what Christ himself wanted to show us through his crucifixion. He used to encourage us to take only what money and material posessions we needed to survive, and share the rest with others who were more needy. He taught that we should not judge, persecute or retalliate ...[text shortened]... le Jesus was never anything more than a simple carpenter! The list of contradictions never ends.
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by no1marauderAnd it came to pass, that the begger died, and was carried by the angels into Abramham's bossom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeing Abramham afar off, and lazarus in his bosom.................
Roman Catholics and indeed most Christians believe that there are souls in Heaven now. A literal reading of the parable of Lazarus would also support such a view. Your belief otherwise is held by a tiny minority of "Christians".
EDIT: Luke 16:22-23: 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels into Abraham ...[text shortened]... he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead they will repent. And he said unto him, if they hear not Moses and prophetsn neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. LUKE16:22-31
A literal reading would read and be understood by what it says. Abraham and Lazerus were not in heaven. They were still in the earth. JESUS CHRIST was the first to rise from the dead. All those that had died before HIS death were still in the ground.
If you or anyone here is a Christian then you must believe THE WORD OF GOD. The book of Acts clearly explains the ressurection of the dead. I believe every WORD, in the Book of ACTS.
1 CORINTHIANS Chapter 15 clearly explains the resurrection of the dead. Which also I believe every Word. I can only hope that all Christians believe the complete WORD OF GOD. Also 1 TIMOTHY Chapter 4 explains that the dead in CHRIST rise first, when HE returns for HIS own. Which also all Christians must believe to be true, as the rest of THE WORD OF GOD.
Please donot guess how I believe. I have no problem telling you or anyone else. Every Christian, every Believer, every follower of CHRIST, must believe in THE WORD OF GOD. The whole WORD OF GOD.
21 Nov 05
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Originally posted by blindfaith101You're insane and illiterate. Angels are not in the Earth. And how could Abraham speak to the rich man in Hell if, like Mary according to you, he was "dead in his grave"? You don't make any sense at all.
And it came to pass, that the begger died, and was carried by the angels into Abramham's bossom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeing Abramham afar off, and lazarus in his bosom.................
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead they will repe ...[text shortened]... very Believer, every follower of CHRIST, must believe in THE WORD OF GOD. The whole WORD OF GOD.
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by no1marauder2 MACCABEES why is it excluded from most BIBLES.
Roman Catholics and indeed most Christians believe that there are souls in Heaven now. A literal reading of the parable of Lazarus would also support such a view. Your belief otherwise is held by a tiny minority of "Christians".
EDIT: Luke 16:22-23: 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels into Abraham ...[text shortened]... he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Also:
For if he were not expective that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superflous and foolish to pray for the dead.
But if he was looking up for those who fall asleep in Godliness, it was a Holy and Pious thought. Therefore He made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin. MACCABEES 12:44,45
There may be more on the subject have not as of yet found it. But, taking those Scriptures and putting them besisde of what JESUS CHRIST said. In MATTHEW 5:17-20, JESUS CHRIST clearly explained the purpose of the Old Testament. If 2 MACCABEES, is apart of the old Testament would not 2 MACCABESS been fulfilled with the Crucifiction and the Rising from death by JESUS CHRIST.
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by no1marauderFor if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement: 2 PETER 2:4
You're insane and illiterate. Angels are not in the Earth. And how could Abraham speak to the rich man in Hell if, like Mary according to you, he was "dead in his grave"? You don't make any sense at all.
It is good that you like to talk about of THE WORD OF GOD. even if you donot believe it. It is a good idea to read it. Mary is dead in her grave according to THE WORD OF GOD. Those so called saints are dead in their grave as well. They will be in their graves until the return of CHRIST.
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101So Jesus was wrong in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man? He must have been because he said Abraham was talking which is very hard to do when you're "dead in your grave". It would be a good idea for you to actually read the Bible rather than accepting the words of your cult leaders on what it means.
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement: 2 PETER 2:4
It is good that you like to talk about of THE WORD OF GOD. even if you donot believe it. It is a good idea to read it. Mary is dead in her grave according to THE WORD OF GOD. Those so cal ...[text shortened]... saints are dead in their grave as well. They will be in their graves until the return of CHRIST.
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by no1marauderJESUS wa right, HE never once stated they were in heaven.
So Jesus was wrong in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man? He must have been because he said Abraham was talking which is very hard to do when you're "dead in your grave". It would be a good idea for you to actually read the Bible rather than accepting the words of your cult leaders on what it means.
Also your body is dead in your grave. Your spirit is asleep. Waiting for the call of JESUS CHRIST.
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101Hmm, god is really on the money there.
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement: 2 PETER 2:4
It is good that you like to talk about of THE WORD OF GOD. even if you donot believe it. It is a good idea to read it. Mary is dead in her grave according to THE WORD OF GOD. Those so cal ...[text shortened]... saints are dead in their grave as well. They will be in their graves until the return of CHRIST.
So this woman who lived hundreds of years ago is in her grave. So are other people who also lived hundreds of years ago ? It's not exactly rocket science when the average life expectancy is below one hunred that they are all pushing up daisys, now is it...
The last bit is a bit strange however. This christ dude comes back, and digs up all his mates ? Then what does he do to them ? Sounds like a bit of a sicko to me. Any relation to Micheal Jackson ?