24 Sep 20
@neilarini saidClearly you know nothing of Christ. He is not all fun and games. Go read the bible.
For someone who follows the teaching's of Christ....it doesn't show!
@petewxyz saidYou have a situation here where adults are sitting around knowing that children are being abused SEXUALLY for YEARS ... YEARS !! Some as young as 5 yrs and they do nothing. You think nothing is wrong with that, and they are just poor abused people. You need to have your head examined. Your education has served you no purpose if your moral compass is in the sewer.
I have all the education required to know that criminal activity has a due process that does not involve telling abuse survivors that they deserved their abuse. You feel entitled to tell people to shut up. You feel entitled to judge. Take a look at yourself and your own contribution, I'm comfortable with mine.
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24 Sep 20
@rajk999 saidMore fallacious assumptions. Which article were you reading?
You have a situation here where adults are sitting around knowing that children are being abused SEXUALLY for YEARS ... YEARS !! Some as young as 5 yrs and they do nothing. You think nothing is wrong with that, and they are just poor abused people. You need to have your head examined. Your education has served you no purpose if your moral compass is in the sewer.
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@rajk999 saidHow in your mind are people who want to leave but don’t have the means to do so enjoying the view? Do you not have a grain of empathy in you for the victims?
Thanks. This is my point. They did not want to leave the cult. They were quite happy to sit around enjoying the view.
24 Sep 20
@rajk999 saidEven perpetrators of sexual abuse do not deserve to have been sexually abused. Nobody does. Simple. Do you believe otherwise? If so please don't lecture anybody on their moral compass.
You have a situation here where adults are sitting around knowing that children are being abused SEXUALLY for YEARS ... YEARS !! Some as young as 5 yrs and they do nothing. You think nothing is wrong with that, and they are just poor abused people. You need to have your head examined. Your education has served you no purpose if your moral compass is in the sewer.
@petewxyz saidI dont understand your question. Pedophiles, can be given a chance to change their ways but if they do it again, they need to be executed. End of story. Same with cold- blooded murderers. One chance, then death penalty for second offence. That is morally correct according to God. You are not an authority.
Even perpetrators of sexual abuse do not deserve to have been sexually abused. Nobody does. Simple. Do you believe otherwise? If so please don't lecture anybody on their moral compass.
@rajk999 saidSuppose you grew up in a place where everyone believed the Earth was flat. Everyone you knew, your family and friends, the whole community believed this. Suppose that this was also taught in the schools. Suppose, further, that everyone in the community belonged to a religion which taught a) that everyone has an immortal soul, b) that the eternal fate of this soul depended on two things: unquestioning belief in a flat Earth and unquestioning obedience to the authorities who run the place, and c) that anyone who entertained the idea that the Earth was not flat would spend eternity in a lake of fire. Suppose that anyone who entertained the idea that the Earth might not be flat were derided as stupid ("just LOOK! SEE! it's FLAT, stupid!" ), or called insane or ostracised as a bastard child of satan. Suppose further that the community effectively filtered information coming in from the rest of the world, so that any images of the Earth from space, for example, were characterized as fakes and part of a satanic conspiracy to destroy the community ("godless baby eaters" ).
Thanks. This is my point. They did not want to leave the cult. They were quite happy to sit around enjoying the view.
Now, tell me, how easy would it be for someone who grew up in such a place, surrounded by friends and family, who never knew anything but that community, to doubt that the Earth was flat? How easy would it be for someone to leave friends and family on account of a concept one probably had no very cogent argument in favor of, just an icky feeling that something was not right about the place?
People who have not grown up in such an all-encompassing and rigid mind-set, which is like living in a house full of distorting mirrors, may think it is a simple matter to walk away from it. You say that those people did not want to leave the cult, that they were happy to remain. In a sense you are right, but what they wanted had been brainwashed into them, by deliberate design, and their happiness was fabricated not in their own image but in the image of a false idol (i.e., the cult leader). Cults have subtle ways of controlling what people want and think, and one of the more powerful ones goes by the name of "the promise of salvation." People outside the cult call it something else, of course.
@moonbus saidWhat do you think Im going to say .. Oh .. of course, they are all innocent. The poor people just dont know better ..
Suppose you grew up in a place where everyone believed the Earth was flat. Everyone you knew, your family and friends, the whole community believed this. Suppose that this was also taught in the schools. Suppose, further, that everyone in the community belonged to a religion which taught a) that everyone has an immortal soul, b) that the eternal fate of this soul depended on ...[text shortened]... y the name of "the promise of salvation." People outside the cult call it something else, of course.
Well that is an incorrect analogy designed to justify and excuse the stupidity of these cult members. The leaders are all guilty and should be charged and jailed, {executed is better]. They know that the earth is round. The adults who allowed themselves to be raped for 20 years, thats their problem, they allowed that to happen... deal with it. They know the earth is not flat. The adults who stood by and allowed children to be raped they should also by jailed for life. The children are the only ones who are truly innocent, and these are the ones who appear to have suffered at the hands of these fools.
Stop trying to justify these grievous sins against these children.
24 Sep 20
@rajk999 saidThe thread was started by someone who managed to escape, having been born into a mental concentration camp. I'll listen to him, how far the analogy fits.
What do you think Im going to say .. Oh .. of course, they are all innocent. The poor people just dont know better ..
Well that is an incorrect analogy designed to justify and excuse the stupidity of these cult members. The leaders are all guilty and should be charged and jailed, {executed is better]. They know that the earth is round. The adults who allowed th ...[text shortened]... d at the hands of these fools.
Stop trying to justify these grievous sins against these children.
As for those who were (or still are) running mental concentration camps, there's no justification from me.
24 Sep 20
@rajk999 saidIt's called coercive control, and is a criminal offence in this country (the UK). It depends on psychological manipulation, although physical violence is another method. There are medical signs such as an increased startle response. Those most at risk are people who score highly for the agreeableness trait. It is not a matter of intelligence.
I could never understand how people can claim that they are trapped in a cult. Are they physically tied down or locked in a room? Are their feet cut off? If not then its all their own fault for being stupid.