28 Feb 12
Originally posted by knightmeisterSo where did Christ say that only IF you have the Holy Spirit THEN you can do good works.
There are certain arguments and ideas that separate Christianity for other religions. One of them is the authority and clarity of the words of Christ.
Care to discuss?
What did Christ said about good works and eternal life.
28 Feb 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobThey do not doubt, but not on God's terms through His Son that he sent.
[b]How do you know they did go through the process as I described it?
This was you're quote -
Those that seek God find Him if they do it with their whole hearts
Are you seriously suggesting that devout Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims for example don't seek the God of their religion with a 'whole heart'?[/b]
Kelly
28 Feb 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadGood evidence still leaves room for doubt, that is all you'll ever get, the more
So you must agree with my original point, ie that if I were to provide what I believe to be good evidence, you would deny that it is evidence because you believe that no such evidence can be provided.
So my point was that it is therefore futile for a theist to point us to videos that supposedly provide evidence when he himself believes no such evidence ...[text shortened]... vidence will be convincing evidence or 'solid evidence'. He knows that faith is a requirement.
you are displaced from what you are looking into the more this becomes true.
Kelly
28 Feb 12
Originally posted by KellyJayHe has a number of philosophical articles, I think I will start with some of those. I plan to read this one first:
"The Divine Conspiracy" is a book of his I think you would enjoy.
I read Mere Christianity in one sitting, this book I would read a few pages stop
think about it, and read a few more. I enjoyed it, hopefully you will too if you
run across it.
Kelly
http://www.dwillard.org/articles/artview.asp?artID=42
28 Feb 12
Originally posted by moon1969You were saved or are you just claiming you were dunked once and that was
Once saved, always saved.
it? What do you think saved means? It seems like you are basing a lot on that
statement, have you ever had a relationship with Jesus Christ, if not why do
you think your saved?
Kelly
28 Feb 12
Originally posted by LemonJelloI just read it, I thought it was good looking forward to your posts on that.
He has a number of philosophical articles, I think I will start with some of those. I plan to read this one first:
http://www.dwillard.org/articles/artview.asp?artID=42
I did like this line in it, it made me think of a few people here, you not being
one of them.
"The atheist who can't be bothered to pay serious attention to the facts claimed for religious histories and religious experience is twin brother to the churchman who refused to look through Galileo's telescope because he already knew what was and was not to be seen."
Kelly
28 Feb 12
Originally posted by KellyJayI'm still chewing on the article, but I would like to discuss it with you when I am done, perhaps in a new thread.
I just read it, I thought it was good looking forward to your posts on that.
I did like this line in it, it made me think of a few people here, you not being
one of them.
"The atheist who can't be bothered to pay serious attention to the facts claimed for religious histories and religious experience is twin brother to the churchman who refused to look ...[text shortened]... rough Galileo's telescope because he already knew what was and was not to be seen."
Kelly
29 Feb 12
Originally posted by LemonJelloWould love too, he is someone I've read a lot, but again there are some views
I'm still chewing on the article, but I would like to discuss it with you when I am done, perhaps in a new thread.
of his I really disagree with. He does give me a lot to think about.
Kelly
29 Feb 12
Originally posted by knightmeisterWe'll give it a go.
There are certain arguments and ideas that separate Christianity for other religions. One of them is the authority and clarity of the words of Christ.
Care to discuss?
So then, how do you know that you are tuned into the correct frequency and it's the rest of worlds religious folk (all 4 billion of them give or take a few) who need to re-tune?
29 Feb 12
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Originally posted by KellyJayYou have moved the goalposts Kelly. Your initial claim was that to sense God someone had to do it 'with a whole heart', now you've added the caveat that it has to be on God's terms 'through His Son'. As LemonJello has pointed out to knightmeister numerous times on this thread, what you are doing is question begging.
They do not doubt, but not on God's terms through His Son that he sent.
Kelly
Begging the question (or petitio principii, "assuming the initial point" ) is a type of logical fallacy in which the proposition to be proven is assumed implicitly or explicitly in the premise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
01 Mar 12
Originally posted by jaywillI do not think I am familiar with him. I will check out your link when I get a chance. Thanks.
LemonJello,
You said as a Christian apologist you found Alvin Plantingo worth a listen.
How do you find this fellow Greg Koukl ?
[b]"Bad Arguments Against Christianity" (Greg Koukl)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEdq-01Yt3c&feature=related[/b]