Doubt good, certainty bad

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
haha and still you cannot find anything positive to say, man that is embittered,
prejudiced and controlled. dude, I tell you truly, you will not be happy feeding your
mind on apostasy. they have nothing positive to say.

Your theory about divegeester's personal failings - being embittered, prejudiced and controlled - aside, why don't you address his criticisms of your organisation instead of just demanding that he is "positive" about it?

Originally posted by FMF
So? In the meantime the whole article has been quoted and the critique of your organization still stands. divegeester drew our attention to the article on page 9 and the entire article was presented on page 11. There has been a whole load of discussion since then and in light of the full article. Why are you launching an ad hominem at him on page 21?

first of all, the assertion of ad hominem is yours, not mine, secondly I provided reason,
relevant assertions and substantiated assertions, with regard to the way apostasy and
apostasy works and how it affects individuals. The text was simply the natural
unfolding of events, why you should seek to attach any relevance to this, i cannot say?

Originally posted by FMF
Your theory about divegeester's personal failings - being embittered, prejudiced and controlled - aside, why don't you address his criticisms of your organisation instead of just demanding that he is "positive" about it?

I dont feed my mind on negativity, sorry, i prefer to be a rather happy and fulfilled
individual, but hey that's just me, you need not acquiesce. Feeding ones mind on
partial quotations, taken at face value, out of context, by disgruntled ex witnesses
will do me no good whatsoever, indeed, it will make me subject to prejudice,
embitterment, contention, and control. Sorry but there are so many more noble and
virtuous things one can take into ones mind, let the haters hate and the prejudiced
feed their prejudices, one cannot after all, stop to kick every dog that barks at us,
can we?

(Philippians 4:8-9) . . .Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things
are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste,
whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well spoken of, whatever virtue
there is and whatever praiseworthy thing there is, continue considering these things.
 The things that you learned as well as accepted and heard and saw in connection
with me, practice these; and the God of peace will be with you.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
first of all, the assertion of ad hominem is yours, not mine, secondly I provided reason,
relevant assertions and substantiated assertions, with regard to the way apostasy and
apostasy works and how it affects individuals. The text was simply the natural
unfolding of events, why you should seek to attach any relevance to this, i cannot say?

None of this justifies launching a deeply personal attack on divegeester with remarks about things like his emotional state, his mental health, his integrity, his honesty, on page TWENTY ONE of a thread, after the full text of the article has been there for everyone to read since page ELEVEN, and which forms the basis of a critique of your organisation. This gratuitous ad hominem TEN pages later is simply out of order, robbie.

Originally posted by FMF
None of this justifies launching a deeply personal attack on divegeester with remarks about things like his emotional state, his mental health, his integrity, his honesty, on page TWENTY ONE of a thread, after the full text of the article has been there for everyone to read since page ELEVEN, and which forms the basis of a critique of your organisation. This gratuitous ad hominem TEN pages later is simply out of order, robbie.

I think it does FMF, clearly he is being subject to control, negativity, embitterment,
prejudice and hate speech and its making him unhappy, embittered, prejudiced etc why
is bringing his attention to this out of order?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I dont feed my mind on negativity, sorry, i prefer to be a rather happy and fulfilled
individual, but hey that's just me, you need not acquiesce. Feeding ones mind on
partial quotations, taken at face value, out of context, by disgruntled ex witnesses
will do me no good whatsoever, indeed, it will make me subject to prejudice,
embitterment, ...[text shortened]... ngs one can take into ones mind, let the haters hate and the prejudice
feed their prejudices,

The fact that you claim to be "a rather happy and fulfilled individual" is not a rebuttal of divegeester's critique of your organisation. Insinuations and assertions about divegeester's mental and emotional state, and his personal integrity, is not a rebuttal of his critique of your organisation.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I dont think it does FMF, clearly he is being subject to control, negativity, embitterment,
prejudice and hate speech and its making him unhappy, embittered, prejudiced etc why
is bringing his attention to this out of order?

Rather than just claiming he is "subject to control, negativity, embitterment, prejudice and hate speech", why not address his critique of your organisation? Dishing out this ongoing ad hominem is not achieving this and I don't think it is serving you well here.

Originally posted by FMF
The fact that you claim to be "a rather happy and fulfilled individual" is not a rebuttal of divegeester's critique of your organisation. Insinuations and assertions about divegeester's mental and emotional state, and his personal integrity, is not a rebuttal of his critique of your organisation.

divesgeester did not have a critique of my organisation, he had a partial quotation,
taken at face value, taken out of context, unread in full, lifted from a third party site
frequented by sad and disgruntled individuals, perhaps these rather damning facts have
evaded you although its been repeated again and again and is indefensible FMF. You
cannot cry about it.

Originally posted by FMF
Rather than just claiming he is "subject to control, negativity, embitterment, prejudice and hate speech", why not address his critique of your organisation? Dishing out this ongoing ad hominem is not achieving this and I don't think it is serving you well here.

please see the text above FMF, it contains some rather salient points, you seem unable
to fully understand.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
divesgeester did not have a critique of my organisation, he had a partial quotation,
taken at face value, taken out of context, unread in full, lifted from a third party site
frequented by sad and disgruntled individuals, perhaps these rather damning facts have
evaded you although its been repeated again and again and is indefensible FMF. You
cannot cry about it.

Well I don't think you've satisfactorily explained how "haters of God" are defined, or what "hate in its truest sense" means and when all this is to be applied. Therefore the article you reproduced on page 11 is disturbing and yet it clearly constitutes instructions to JW members. I make this critique too and yet I am not "subject to prejudice, embitterment and control". You therefore cannot try to dismiss my concerns and questions with an ad hominem, even if that is the way you have chosen to relate to divegeester.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
he had a partial quotation, taken at face value, taken out of context, unread in full, lifted from a third party site frequented by sad and disgruntled individuals

Everybody has been discussing the full article for TEN thread pages, robbie. Concerns and questions about the article remain. You seem to have given up tackling them and are launching personal attacks on divegeester instead. I don't think this approach is serving you or your rebuttal of the criticism well.

Originally posted by FMF
Well I don't think you've satisfactorily explained how "haters of God" are defined, or what "hate in its truest sense" means and when all this is to be applied. Therefore the article you reproduced on page 11 is disturbing and yet it clearly constitutes instructions to JW members. I make this critique too and yet I am not "subject to prejudice, embitterment and ...[text shortened]... an ad hominem, even if that is the way you have chosen to relate to divegeester.

you are part to the same information that I am you may draw your own conclusions,
but i ask you to seriously consider why divegeester posted a quotation, out of context,
at face value, without having read it in full, lifted from a third part site frequented by
embittered and disgruntled ex witnesses and more importantly how this will affect his
thinking, ability to remain objective and most importantly, his general well being and
happiness. Leave yourself aside FMF and think of divegeester, just for a moment.

Originally posted by FMF
Everybody has been discussing the full article for TEN thread pages, robbie. Concerns and questions about the article remain. You seem to have given up tackling them and are launching personal attacks on divegeester instead. I don't think this approach is serving you or your rebuttal of the criticism well.

I have divegeesters best interests at heart FMF, apostasy is poison, it will poison his
system and make him unhappy.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i ask you to seriously consider why divegeester posted a quotation, out of context,
at face value, without having read it in full, lifted from a third part site frequented by
embittered and disgruntled ex witnesses and more importantly how this will affect his
thinking, ability to remain objective and most importantly, his general well being and
happiness. Leave yourself aside FMF and think of divegeester, just for a moment.

divegeester is a critic of your organisation. You seem to have chosen to dismiss his criticisms with a long drawn out ad hominem approach rather than to dismiss his criticisms by tackling them head on. We have all been discussing the FULL article for more than TEN pages and the criticisms remain.