Originally posted by FMFI am perfectly aware in what different contexts hate may be appropriate or
Well robbie implied that he knows the answer when he said "depends", so there's no reason why he can't tell us how those words are defined by the JW organisation.
inappropriate but since you have not mentioned any, its impossible for me to answer
until you do, in a biblical context its not a one dimensional term without shades of
meaning, although i suspect like the definition of jealousy that's all people can think of.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt is not impossible for you to answer. You cite a context in which the JW organisation would define someone as a "hater" and thus tell you to "hate" them
I am perfectly aware in what different contexts hate may be appropriate or
inappropriate but since you have not mentioned any, its impossible for me to answer
until you do...
Originally posted by FMFthere has already been numerous instances mentioned, those who hate God and the
You tell us a context in which the JW organisation would deem someone to be a "hater" and thus instruct you to "hate" them.
spirit, and not to hate those who simply work against our interests, you did read the
article, did you not? how these subtitles could have evaded you I have really no idea.
Perhaps if i post something else it may aid your understanding, IF you take the time
to read it.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCan you give us a real example of the JW organisation deeming someone to be a "hater" and then instructing you to "hate" them?
there has already been numerous instances mentioned, those who hate God and the
spirit, and not to hate those who simply work against our interests, you did read the
article, did you not? how these subtitles could have evaded you I have really no idea.
Perhaps if i post something else it may aid your understanding, IF you take the time
to read it.
Originally posted by FMFThere have already been two cited, yet you could not make reference to either one,
It is not impossible for you to answer. You cite a context in which the JW organisation would define someone as a "hater" and thus tell you to "hate" them
oh dear! Lets take the first one, Hatred towards enemies, shall we.
Hate One’s Enemies?
Jesus’ counsel to love one’s enemies is in full harmony with the spirit of the Hebrew
Scriptures. (Mt 5:44) Faithful Job recognized that any feeling of malicious joy over
the calamity of one intensely hating him would have been wrong. (Job 31:29) The
Mosaic Law enjoined upon the Israelites the responsibility to come to the aid of other
Israelites whom they might view as their enemies. (Ex 23:4, 5) Instead of rejoicing
over the disaster of an enemy, God’s servants are instructed: “If the one hating you
is hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink.”—Pr
24:17, 18; 25:21.
The idea that enemies were to be hated was one of the things added to God’s law by
the Jewish teachers of tradition. Since the Law directed that the Israelites love their
neighbors (Le 19:18), these teachers inferred that this implied hating their enemies.
“Friend” and “neighbor” came to be viewed as applying exclusively to Jews, whereas
all others were considered to be natural enemies. In the light of their traditional
understanding of “neighbor” and in view of tradition that fostered enmity toward the
Gentiles, it can readily be seen why they added the unauthorized words “and hate
your enemy” to the statement in God’s law.—Mt 5:43.
The Christian, by contrast, is under obligation to love his enemies, that is, those who
make themselves personal enemies. Such love (Gr., agape) is not sentimentality,
based on mere personal attachment, as is usually thought of, but is a moral or social
love based on deliberate assent of the will as a matter of principle, duty, and
propriety, sincerely seeking the other’s good according to what is right. Agape
(love) transcends personal enmities, never allowing these to cause one to abandon
right principles and to retaliate in kind. As to those who oppose his Christian course
and persecute him, doing so in ignorance, the servant of God will even pray for
such that their eyes might be opened to see the truth concerning God and His
purposes.—Mt 5:44.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhere is the actual definition is all this text?
There have already been two cited, yet you could not make reference to either one,
oh dear! Lets take the first one, Hatred towards enemies, shall we.
Hate One’s Enemies?
Jesus’ counsel to love one’s enemies is in full harmony with the spirit of the Hebrew
Scriptures. (Mt 5:44) Faithful Job recognized that any feeling of malicious joy over ...[text shortened]... uch that their eyes might be opened to see the truth concerning God and His
purposes.—Mt 5:44.
Proper Hatred.
Nevertheless, under certain conditions and at certain times it is proper to hate.
“There is . . . a time to love and a time to hate.” (Ec 3:1, 8) Even of Jehovah it is
said that he hated Esau. (Mal 1:2, 3) But this cannot be attributed to any
arbitrariness on God’s part. Esau proved himself unworthy of Jehovah’s love by
despising his birthright and selling it and hence also the divine promises and
blessings attached thereto. Moreover, he purposed to kill his brother Jacob. (Ge
25:32-34; 27:41-43; Heb 12:14-16) God also hates lofty eyes, a false tongue, hands
that are shedding innocent blood, a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are
in a hurry to run to badness, a false witness, anyone sending forth contentions
among brothers, in fact, everyone and everything standing in complete opposition to
Jehovah and his righteous laws.—Pr 6:16-19; De 16:22; Isa 61:8; Zec 8:17; Mal
2:16.
What kind of hatred must servants of God cultivate?
In true loyalty to Jehovah, his servants hate what and whom he hates. (2Ch 19:2)
“Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a
loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them.
They have become to me real enemies.” (Ps 139:21, 22) But this hate does not seek
to inflict injury on others and is not synonymous with spite or malice. Rather, it finds
expression in its utter abhorrence of what is wicked, avoiding what is bad and those
intensely hating Jehovah. (Ro 12:9, 17, 19) Christians rightly hate those who are
confirmed enemies of God, such as the Devil and his demons, as well as men who
have deliberately and knowingly taken their stand against Jehovah
While Christians have no love for those who turn the undeserved kindness of God
into an excuse for loose conduct, they do not hate persons who become involved in
wrongdoing but who are worthy of being shown mercy. Instead of hating the
repentant wrongdoer, they hate the wicked act, yes, “even the inner garment that
has been stained by the flesh.”—Jude 4, 23.
Avoiding Improper Hatred. Upon becoming Christians, persons who formerly hated
one another do so no longer. (Tit 3:3) The one hating his brother is still walking in
darkness, and any claim on his part to be a lover of God would really be a lie.
Hatred of one’s brother is tantamount to murder.—1Jo 2:9, 11; 4:20; 3:15.
Sentimentality can cause one’s view of love and hate to get out of balance, as was
apparently true of David in connection with his son Absalom. (2Sa 18:33; 19:1-6)
Thus, too, “the one holding back his rod is hating his son, but the one loving him is
he that does look for him with discipline.”—Pr 13:24.
By respecting the privacy of others and showing loving consideration, a person can
avoid unnecessarily making himself an object of hatred. Hence the advice: “Make
your foot rare at the house of your fellowman, that he may not have his sufficiency
of you and certainly hate you.”—Pr 25:17.
Originally posted by FMFyou ask for context, you got context, you want a Biblical definition, ok, you'll get a
Where is the actual definition is all this text?
Biblical definition, just hold yer horses.
In the Scriptures the word “hate” has several shades of meaning. It may denote
intense hostility, sustained ill will often accompanied by malice. Such hate may
become a consuming emotion seeking to bring harm to its object. “Hate” may also
signify a strong dislike but without any intent to bring harm to the object, seeking
instead to avoid it because of a feeling of loathing toward it. The Bible also employs
the word “hate” to mean loving to a lesser degree. (Ge 29:31, 33; De 21:15, 16) For
example, Jesus Christ said: “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father
and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own
soul, he cannot be my disciple.” (Lu 14:26) Obviously Jesus did not mean that his
followers were to feel hostility or loathing toward their families and toward
themselves, as this would not be in agreement with the rest of the Scriptures.
—Compare Mr 12:29-31; Eph 5:28, 29, 33.
God’s law to Israel stated: “You must not hate your brother in your heart.” (Le
19:17) One of the requirements for one presenting himself as an unintentional
manslayer and seeking to gain safety in the cities of refuge was that he had not held
hatred toward the one slain.—De 19:4, 11-13.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHow does the JW organisation define "hatred of God"?
Proper Hatred.
Nevertheless, under certain conditions and at certain times it is proper to hate.
“There is . . . a time to love and a time to hate.” (Ec 3:1, 8) Even of Jehovah it is
said that he hated Esau. (Mal 1:2, 3) But this cannot be attributed to any
arbitrariness on God’s part. Esau proved himself unworthy of Jehovah’s love by
des ...[text shortened]... your fellowman, that he may not have his sufficiency
of you and certainly hate you.”—Pr 25:17.
-Removed-the article was not deceptive your presentation of it was, out of context it clearly was.
Do you need to post excerpts out of context, no, then why did you do it, man, you
never even read the article prior to posting it, you have no creditability here, put you
tail between your legs and skulk away into the corner. You were busted posting articles
that you hadn't even read? How is that in any way demonstrating any degree of
honesty? How?