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Originally posted by LemonJelloNot going to read the whole thread but the OP is brilliant :-)
Well, your circumstances are pitiable, whether you realize it or not.
I once had a discussion with galveston75 where he basically said that thinking for oneself is never a live option for a wise person. (Here would be the link to that discussion: Thread 132888, page 4/5 for example). I mean, WOW! What a crazy thing to say!
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Originally posted by LemonJellosorry you have not made reference to any of the points in my post, why not? I see, it
Well, your circumstances are pitiable, whether you realize it or not.
I once had a discussion with galveston75 where he basically said that thinking for oneself is never a live option for a wise person. (Here would be the link to that discussion: Thread 132888, page 4/5 for example). I mean, WOW! What a crazy thing to say!
must be true because you said its true, ahhh, how unconvincing, how googlefudge like,
are you atheists like part of a collective subconscious or something, like the Borg!
resistance is futile, you will be assimilated! Look how FMF was arguing for dissent yet
unable to state why it is to be preferred to than unity, are you able to do any better?
I looked at the thread the Gman is correct independence from God has produced nothing
but pain and suffering, hes awesome, our organisation cannot be touched by anyone!
Not by angry little Caesars shouting their own self certified opinions as if they are some
kind of truths, LOL, its true because i said its true!
Originally posted by robbie carrobiePersonally I would be thankful for the faculty [and freedom] for dissent if I found myself in your situation because I no more believe in your religionist dogma than I do in Dasa's. While you are of course perfectly welcome to your "We Are One" template and sense of belonging, to me - personally - it comes across as a complete and utter spiritual nightmare. As you will no doubt be aware, I have no interest in divesting you of your beliefs. We are exchanging personal info and reference points, that's all.
Look how FMF was arguing for dissent yet unable to state why it is to be preferred to than unity, are you able to do any better?
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Originally posted by FMFyou have still not stated why dissent is to be preferred than unity. Take a lesson from
Personally I would be thankful for the faculty [and freedom] for dissent if I found myself in your situation because I no more believe in your religionist dogma than I do in Dasa's. While you are of course perfectly welcome to your "We Are One" template and sense of belonging, to me - personally - it comes across as a complete and utter spiritual nightmare. As y ...[text shortened]... sting you of your beliefs. We are exchanging personal info and reference points, that's all.
the Emperor penguin, observe how because of its unity it is able to flourish in the most
inhospitable of earth's environments, indeed, its amazing that those on the outside take
the full blast of the elements while those inside are kept warm, so that once they are
able they can provide relief to those on the outside. we enjoy our unity, in fact i dont
think there is anything quite like it in all the earth because we realise that there are
higher principles than self.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDon't you think we need both unity and dissent, to varying degrees, depending on the circumstances?
you have still not stated why dissent is to be preferred than unity. Take a lesson from
the Emperor penguin, observe how because of its unity it is able to flourish in the most
inhospitable of earth's environments, indeed, its amazing that those on the outside take
the full blast of the elements while those inside are kept warm, so that once t ...[text shortened]... quite like it in all the earth because we realise that there are
higher principles than self.
Originally posted by JS357hmmm, well that depends, doesn't it. Naturally we dissent against those who are intent
Don't you think we need both unity and dissent, to varying degrees, depending on the circumstances?
on doing us harm, while unity with kindred spirits is very pleasant indeed.
(Psalm 133:1) . . .Look! How good and how pleasant it is For brothers to dwell together
in unity!
Originally posted by JS357certainty in anything is a self delusion, i don't live my life under such restricted conditions.
Do you know what certainty feels like, from earlier in your life? Would a feeling of certainty make you feel comfortable, or uncomfortable? What about relationships -- do you doubt your love for someone, or someone's love for you? I'm just curious because it seems strange that someone could doubt everything.
when it comes to feelings expressed by others, i simply accept them based on an analysis of their behavior, actions and history of honesty, but a level of certainty will never be achieved with anything. feelings change, loyalties change, people change, i change.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's funny the way you guys pat yourself on the back, extolling the staying power of your organization. The sad reality, however, is that your organization's self-perpetuation power resides primarily in the stifling, subversion, and demonization of critical thought. I mean, just look at you and galvo: you guys are positively wet-your-trousers terrified at the mere prospect of thinking for yourselves or adopting any sort of questioning attitude.
sorry you have not made reference to any of the points in my post, why not? I see, it
must be true because you said its true, ahhh, how unconvincing, how googlefudge like,
are you atheists like part of a collective subconscious or something, like the Borg!
resistance is futile, you will be assimilated! Look how FMF was arguing for dissent yet ...[text shortened]... certified opinions as if they are some
kind of truths, LOL, its true because i said its true!
Of course, if your organization had doctrine that made even a bit of sense, then it would not have reason to stifle critical thought, since such thought would only serve to highlight and reaffirm the solid justifications underlying such doctrine. However, given the fact that JW doctrine is a veritable bottomless well of hogwash and nonsense, it's not surprising that your organization has to, in the interest of its own perpetuation and unity, beat its member into fear and submission regarding the forgoing of their own cognitive faculties.
Originally posted by VoidSpirityou psychoanalyse people, really?
certainty in anything is a self delusion, i don't live my life under such restricted conditions.
when it comes to feelings expressed by others, i simply accept them based on an analysis of their behavior, actions and history of honesty, but a level of certainty will never be achieved with anything. feelings change, loyalties change, people change, i change.
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Originally posted by LemonJelloYou cant touch us man, we are out of your reach,
It's funny the way you guys pat yourself on the back, extolling the staying power of your organization. The sad reality, however, is that your organization's self-perpetuation power resides primarily in the stifling, subversion, and demonization of critical thought. I mean, just look at you and galvo: you guys are positively wet-your-trousers terrified its member into fear and submission regarding the forgoing of their own cognitive faculties.
(Psalm 91:1) . . .Anyone dwelling in the secret place of the Most High Will procure
himself lodging under the very shadow of the Almighty One.
the secret place of the most high, why is it secret, how will you reach us there? will you
contend with God? what have you got to offer as an alternative?
Originally posted by robbie carrobiewhat have you got to offer as an alternative?
You cant touch us man, we are out of your reach,
(Psalm 91:1) . . .Anyone dwelling in the secret place of the Most High Will procure
himself lodging under the very shadow of the Almighty One.
the secret place of the most high, why is it secret, how will you reach us there? will you
contend with God? what have you got to offer as an alternative?
Freedom from your intellectual slavery? Dry trousers?
Originally posted by FMFThat's an interesting statement. But it's not true. I do not believe I will have an afterlife if I live my life in accordance with certain religious teachings.
You have no doubt that an afterlife awaits you if you live your life in accordance with certain religious teachings, presumably.
Eternal life is a free gift. One cannot "do" or "live" a life in such a way as to ascertain eternal life. That would be like saying I could do something for the one that has the gift to give; as though God lacked something and needed my help to do it.