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Originally posted by The Chess ExpressAre saying you don't have faith in the biblical account of Lot's wife?
[b]Do you know that a person was turned into a pillar of salt?
No, do you?[/b]
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesTrue faith? How can I? I may believe it, but believing is not knowing.
Are saying you don't have faith in the biblical account of Lot's wife?
Originally posted by The Chess ExpressDo you have faith that Jesus died for your sins?
True faith? How can I? I may believe it, but believing is not knowing.
The scripture is somebody else’s account of something that happened thousands of years ago. This is not proof. Proof comes by direct experience.
What’s important about the story of Lot’s wife is the lesson that is to be gained from it.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesGood question. There are places in scripture that seem to suggest that believing may be enough for this to be true.
Do you have faith that Jesus died for your sins?
Originally posted by The Chess ExpressWhat if I told you that I experienced an encounter with Hera or Gilgamesh
There are Christians I believe who [b]have directly experienced Jesus. There are many accounts of this. Sadly, I’m not one of them yet. Personally, I believe that if we get close enough to Jesus, Jesus comes to us and we experience him directly. This is faith, and it's a lot better than taking somebody else's word for it.[/b]
Originally posted by The Chess ExpressIt sounds like you are taking other peoples' accounts about their experience
There are Christians I believe who [b]have directly experienced Jesus. There are many accounts of this. ... This is faith, and it's a lot better than taking somebody else's word for it.[/b]
Originally posted by NemesioIt may have sounded like that, but that was not my intention. I don't consider other peoples accounts of Jesus to be proof for me.
It sounds like you are taking other peoples' accounts about their experience
with Jesus.
Or did I misunderstand you?
Nemesio
Originally posted by lucifershammerFor example, one might have faith that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, and by virtue of that, the things that it asserts are true.
Expand. Example?
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesHopefully bbarr can back me up or correct me, but I believe it is the case that epistemologists use the term knowledge in such a way that only true things can be known.
Does the Catholic Church teach that faith and knowledge are equivalent, or is this an idea unique to Chess Express?
I have always seen doubt as an estimate of one's lack of certainty in one's faith. Faith necessarily entails a lack of certainty, and thus entails some doubt.
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesI would argue that these sorts of contradictions are the product of blind faith. If they both had true faith, they wouldn’t disagree.
Hopefull bbarr can back me up, but I believe it is the case that epistemologists use the term knowledge in such a way that only
true things can be known.
Thus, if Father John has faith that Jesus is the Son of God, and Rabbi Shekelmeister has faith that Jesus is not the Son of God, then faith cannot be knowledge, for only one of those two can be the case.