Dropping Out Missing Links

Originally posted by twhitehead
Sorry but you are going to have to be more specific. Is a cat and a lion the same 'kind'?
What about a dog and a wolf?

[b]A loss of genetic information when dogs breed can not change the dog into a cat or some other kind of animal.
It couldn't change the dog into some other currently existing kind of animal, because all animals have unique inform ...[text shortened]... ou know anything about genetics or are you just making this all up as per your usual?[/b]

Why do you ask these questions? If an animal has the capability to reproduce after their own kind, then they are obviously of the same kind. If you know the answer, don't bother asking me the question. I say you are wrong. You can take it or leave it. I'm sure you are going to leave it, so enjoy yourself.

The Instructor

Originally posted by twhitehead
[b]Sorry but you are going to have to be more specific. Is a cat and a lion the same 'kind'?
What about a dog and a wolf?

In the past, after long debate, RJ has decided that tigers and lions are "of the same kind". (As they can reproduce)

He is of course an expert in his field.

An expert being an old (ex) big drip (spurt)
And his field is an exceptionally small muddy one. (More of a backyard really)

Originally posted by RJHinds
By kind, I mean a dog, cat, human, etc. A dog never changes to a cat or a human. They reproduce after their own kind. That is a law of God.

A loss of genetic information when dogs breed can not change the dog into a cat or some other kind of animal. That could only result in a variation of the dog, if it lives.

New genetic information has never been ...[text shortened]... and my mothers chromosomes, which are naturally selected during reproduction.

The Instructor

New genetic 'information' has been shown to have been added by mutations. Look up 'Lenski ecoli experiment'.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
New genetic 'information' has been shown to have been added by mutations. Look up 'Lenski ecoli experiment'.

You are ignorant of the facts.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
You are ignorant of the facts.

The Instructor

Are you going to look up what I said, or are you just going to ignore it and keep repeating the same falsehood Ron?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Why do you ask these questions?

Because you made a claim about 'kinds' and I need to know what you mean by 'kind' or I cannot know what your claim is.

If an animal has the capability to reproduce after their own kind, then they are obviously of the same kind.
And if they do not have the capability to do so? Or if they only have partial capability?

If you know the answer, don't bother asking me the question.
If I knew the answer I wouldn't have asked.

I say you are wrong. You can take it or leave it. I'm sure you are going to leave it, so enjoy yourself.
So why do you say I am wrong with no explanation? Because you don't have an explanation?

Can you give us a synopsis of the video, what are Dr J's main points of contention?

It seemed to be a up-to-date state of proposed evidences for TOE. The science teacher explains how pack-peddling, revisionism, face saving, and euphemism are being offered about the ongoing collapse of past icons of evidence.

I plan to watch the entire video a second time.

I can't stomach watching a 55min presentation from a man who thinks the world's age is a few thousand years.

Then take it in little chunks of maybe 10 minutes each. I think the first six minutes you could skip if you wish.

YouTube

Sometimes you cannot dismiss people as total crackpots just because of some things. I think people with contrary views sometimes have SOME things which deserve my ear.

There are debates with Christian apologists in which counter points are made by opponents to my faith, which I think are worth consideration if not their entire argument.

While you're at it you didn't answer these questions yesterday - So even though evolution is 'collapsing' you still think it should be taught in school's?

I am not into policy about public education. But I think that the current major consensus theories should be presented along with honest disclosures about their problems.

That is teaching critical thinking and education, I think. The hope is that young minds will grow up and go further in learning and solve some of the problems for us.

Why not teach TOE and also teach serious challenges to it in the realm of evidence ?

I mean, either life evolved or it didn't right? What's your take on how life began and how it diversified? Or do you think life was created as it is?

So we say "We don't know for sure, but here are the current consensus theories. And here are some objections to them. We're hoping some of you young minds will grow up and solve some of these problems for us in the future."

I think that is education.

Correction: The video seems to have be produced from a talk in 2007.
He refered to last year, I think, as 2006.

So the description of "brand new stuff" by now would not be necessarily correct.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
New genetic 'information' has been shown to have been added by mutations. Look up 'Lenski ecoli experiment'.

what has the ecoli transmutated into, nada, its still ecoli after zillions of mutations, give it up! Discontinuity of species disproves the whole Darwinian theory, nay, hypothesis.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what has the ecoli transmutated into, nada, its still ecoli after zillions of mutations, give it up! Discontinuity of species disproves the whole Darwinian theory, nay, hypothesis.

Three words. 'Closed-minded.......ignorant'. End of.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Three words. 'Closed-minded.......ignorant'. End of.

oh dear, you cannot tell us what it has transmutated into, how vewy vewy intwesting! we are the ones who have made room for the supernatural, it is the materialist who is closed minded and ignorant! Ironic really, all things considered.

Originally posted by rwingett
There's no apostrophe in "enchiladas", you subhuman animal.

As in 'I watched some enchilada's dance'?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
oh dear, you cannot tell us what it has transmutated into, how vewy vewy intwesting! we are the ones who have made room for the supernatural, it is the materialist who is closed minded and ignorant! Ironic really, all things considered.

I have simply no interest in discussing something with someone who has no genuine interest in the topic. What relevance do you have to a discussion in which you have admitted to being closed-minded and ignorant and have no desire to learn anything about it? I might as well talk to the wall.

Case in point, the idea that species 'transmutate' went out of fashion about 150yrs ago, I have told you this more than once before, yet here you are wittering away with your 19th Century scientific jargon. Most of us on this forum are in the 21st century, you should try joining us sometime.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Are you going to look up what I said, or are you just going to ignore it and keep repeating the same falsehood Ron?

I believe it is going to be in the ignore department.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You are ignorant of the facts.

The Instructor

What about THESE facts?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

Of course you think these are all just made up, right? Totally faked evidence?