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Originally posted by Proper KnobI am talking about new information added to the DNA code that can cause the replicating process produce a different kind of organism or creature. You are talking about a change in the information for adaptation or to produce a variant of the same organism.
How is my claim false? How am I playing with the meaning of words? What are you gibbering on about you batty old man?!
If you can't understand the difference, then you are worse than batty.
Maybe this will help you understand:
The Instructor
Originally posted by RJHindsNo you were not. This is what you said -
I am talking about new information added to the DNA code that can cause the replicating process produce a different kind of organism or creature. You are talking about a change in the information for adaptation or to produce a variant of the same organism.
If you can't understand the difference, then you are worse than batty.
Maybe this will help you understand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yNju1_-CMk
The Instructor
New genetic information has never been shown to have been added by mutations.
That's a verbatim quote.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadYou appear to me to be one of the most obnoxious and posters here, now while i do not revel in the fact, its a constant battle against ignorance, mostly yours, now please go away and read the information in this link,
DNA can put back information lost or remove information added? Or do you just not know what you are talking about?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_repair
and the next time you call someone out for bringing to your attention details that you seem blissfully unaware of and make the somewhat ironic and idiotic claim of ignorance on their part when in fact its you that is the ignoramus, just remember, the accusations that you make against others will probably come back to haunt you.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie"You appear to me to be one of the most obnoxious and posters here"
You appear to me to be one of the most obnoxious and posters here, now while i do not revel in the fact, its a constant battle against ignorance, mostly yours, now please go away and read the information in this link,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_repair
and the next time you call someone out for bringing to your attention details that you ...[text shortened]... ust remember, the accusations that you make against others will probably come back to haunt you.
"just remember, the accusations that you make against others will probably come back to haunt you."
classic robbie. self awareness turned down to zero.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieOf course, because I call you out when you lie.
You appear to me to be one of the most obnoxious and posters here,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_repair#DNA_damage_and_mutation
In contrast to DNA damage, a mutation is a change in the base sequence of the DNA. A mutation cannot be recognized by enzymes once the base change is present in both DNA strands, and, thus, a mutation cannot be repaired.
OK, so I've read your link and it clearly states that you were wrong.
Now what?
Am I looking even more obnoxious?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIn light of twhitehead's post above. If a small amount of DNA can change over a small time surely a large amount of DNA can change over a large time? If not, why not?
You appear to me to be one of the most obnoxious and posters here, now while i do not revel in the fact, its a constant battle against ignorance, mostly yours, now please go away and read the information in this link,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_repair
and the next time you call someone out for bringing to your attention details that you ...[text shortened]... ust remember, the accusations that you make against others will probably come back to haunt you.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis may be a better link to DNA repair information:
You appear to me to be one of the most obnoxious and posters here, now while i do not revel in the fact, its a constant battle against ignorance, mostly yours, now please go away and read the information in this link,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_repair
and the next time you call someone out for bringing to your attention details that you ...[text shortened]... ust remember, the accusations that you make against others will probably come back to haunt you.
http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/dna-damage-repair-mechanisms-for-maintaining-dna-344
The Instructor
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Originally posted by Proper KnobThe more DNA information changes the more likely the cell is going to have problems and die. So that is the reason for the DNA repair mechanisms to repair damaged information code. That is, DNA information change is not a good thing in most cases, so the more changes the worse it usually becomes, resulting in such things as cancer.
In light of twhitehead's post above. If a small amount of DNA can change over a small time surely a large amount of DNA can change over a large time? If not, why not?
http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/dna-replication-and-causes-of-mutation-409
The Instructor
Originally posted by RJHindsYes, DNA information change is not a good thing in most cases. But not all cases. So if DNA can change a small amount in a small time, surely it can also change a large amount in a large time?
The more DNA information changes the more likely the cell is going to have problems and die. So that is the reason for the DNA repair mechanisms to repair damaged information code. That is, DNA information change is not a good thing in most cases, so the more changes the worse it usually becomes, resulting in such things as cancer.
The Instructor
Originally posted by Proper KnobIt will not be able to change enough to become a different kind of organism. That would require the introduction of a lot of new highly complex coding information to produce different types of designed cells for new functions that is beyond the capability of many mutations to produce.
Yes, DNA information change is not a good thing in [b]most cases. But not all cases. So if DNA can change a small amount in a small time, surely it can also change a large amount in a large time?[/b]
The Instructor
Originally posted by RJHindsIt's possible the intelligence you speak of when you say intelligent design is inherent in the DNA itself. It is a very complex computer and can recognize when there are environmental stresses so the changes we see over time could just as easily come from the intelligence in the DNA itself.
It will not be able to change enough to become a different kind of organism. That would require the introduction of a lot of new highly complex coding information to produce different types of designed cells for new functions that is beyond the capability of many mutations to produce.
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