Originally posted by RJHindsDo you think the way you treat people - something that you concede embarrasses some of the other Christians here - makes anyone "want to study the Holy Bible to see what is the meaning and purpose of its writings"?
You like someone who smiles at you and acts very nice. That gave you a favorable impression of her as a Christian. But did it make you want to study the Holy Bible to see what is the meaning and purpose of it's writings?
Originally posted by RJHindsBut the question is - and to your credit, you kind of raised it yourself with your OP - do you think its working out well for you here? If you are held in low regard, then doesn't that have a negative impact on what you advocate?
God can use all types of people in spreading the good news throughout the
world. It just so happens, I am not one of those mild mannered, smiley types.
Originally posted by RJHindsWell, I do believe whether I want to study the Bible is irrelevant to the post at hand. My point was, and remains [in answer to your debate topic]...you can achieve a lot more by being nice, and trying to promote your views in a logical and mild-mannered fashion.
I am now wondering if you have ever read the Holy Bible and if you are aware
that the New Testament explains the Old Testament. You like someone who
smiles at you and acts very nice. That gave you a favorable impression of her
as a Christian. But did it make you want to study the Holy Bible to see what is
the meaning and purpose of it's writings? Are ...[text shortened]... ecome interested you may like the style of Kelly Jay or
one of the other Christians over mine.
By calling me a "in the dark atheist," you achieve little more than display your own intolerance. You also raise a defensive instinct within the person you're discussing with, automatically making them less open to the ideas you put forth.
FYI...i've read a significant bit of the Holy Bible. If you wish a debate on the subject, I suggest you make a forum thread. I'll be more than happy to oblige.
Originally posted by RJHindsSo my friend here is a very good example of what this kind lady accomplished. It may not be the results you or her would like and that would be for him to change his viewpoints but it did impress him to the point he seems to be more open to discussing the Bible which is fantastic and even if he never does decide to change his viewpoints it may have made him a better person in some way and it may have planted that seed that could lay dormant for years as some seeds do. And in time you never know.....
I am now wondering if you have ever read the Holy Bible and if you are aware
that the New Testament explains the Old Testament. You like someone who
smiles at you and acts very nice. That gave you a favorable impression of her
as a Christian. But did it make you want to study the Holy Bible to see what is
the meaning and purpose of it's writings? Are ...[text shortened]... ecome interested you may like the style of Kelly Jay or
one of the other Christians over mine.
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Just an observation which does connect to this thread.
I have many relatives that are not of my religion but they all claim to be saved at least by their religions descriptions and ideas. And I have known many more that are of this same belief of being saved now over the years and many that I have met in our door to door teaching work.
And some here on this forum are of that belief. Not all but most of these people I'm talking about seem to have a certian attitude or underlying personality trait such as our friend that started this thread that seems to be one of looking down on anyone that does not claim to be "saved" or for not believing as they do.
Again I don't know why I pick up on this or if it is really true. I don't know if it is something taught to them in their churches from their ministers or how it happens.
But I do know I've seen it all my life and from what I know of what Jesus taught and in fact did by example which is being humble, this other trait being shown to others is not good.
Jesus told us we are to be slaves to all and servants to all. But the general attitude I've always seen by ones who claim to be saved now is not usually the humble quality of a slave or servant.
Originally posted by RJHindsOK, then.
I do not know what Christians are embarrassed by me.
You said: You like someone who smiles at you and acts very nice. That gave you a favorable impression of her as a Christian. But did it make you want to study the Holy Bible to see what is the meaning and purpose of it's writings?
Do you think the way you treat people makes people "want to study the Holy Bible to see what is the meaning and purpose of its writings"?
Originally posted by RingwraithSure, you can believe anything you wish and so can I. I am glad you have
Well, I do believe whether I want to study the Bible is irrelevant to the post at hand. My point was, and remains [in answer to your debate topic]...you can achieve a lot more by being nice, and trying to promote your views in a logical and mild-mannered fashion.
By calling me a "in the dark atheist," you achieve little more than display your own intol ...[text shortened]... ebate on the subject, I suggest you make a forum thread. I'll be more than happy to oblige.
read much of the Holy Bible. But since you are still an atheist, I suspect you
either did not read the right parts or did not understand what you read. That
is nothing to be ashamed of because nobody seems to understand everything
without help. I am not challenging you to a debate. It was only an offer of
help. No superiority intended, but I will be 68 in 10 days so it is possible I
might have gained some knowledge you could use. I will not be around here
forever. But like I said, there are other Christians that might suit you better.
I will be going to bed in a few more minutes anyway.
Originally posted by FMFI do not treat anyone bad. I only use words that some people like stubborn
OK, then.
You said: You like someone who smiles at you and acts very nice. That gave you a favorable impression of her as a Christian. But did it make you want to study the Holy Bible to see what is the meaning and purpose of it's writings?
Do you think the way you treat people makes people "want to study the Holy Bible to see what is the meaning and purpose of its writings"?
atheist and Jehovah's Witnesses don't like. I don't have any need to do that
with real Christians.
Originally posted by RJHindsAnd yet your starting this thread suggests that you are to some degree worried about how your behaviour is perceived. You have received some constructive criticism as a result of your OP. Do you feel you have received much in the way of support for the way you treat people?
I do not treat anyone bad.
Originally posted by RJHindsIf, as you suggest, time is limited, and there are - in your view - people who need your "help", shouldn't 'whether or not you are advocating your beliefs effectively' become a priority issue for you. You are held in low regard, as you well know. Is this facilitating your wish to help or hindering it?
It was only an offer of help. No superiority intended, but I will be 68 in 10 days so it is possible I might have gained some knowledge you could use. I will not be around here forever.
Originally posted by CalJustThere you go,RJ, look at this post, from a christian who seems rational and reasonable enough.
I haven't been following your latest posts but, yes, I have been cringing in my heart with embarrassment at many of your utterances.
Humility is a Christian virtue in which you seem to be most lacking. Clearly, we do NOT have all the answers. Paul says we look into an unclear mirror, or "through a glass darkly". Glib one-liners are therefore not a ...[text shortened]... the smug "so there, now I've really told you off!" face that you so often sign off with!
You have dismissed his remarks and,as has been pointed out by other posters, you seem to want only ass kissing not any real criticism.
And for what it's worth, I think you are an embarrassment to christians, here and everywhere.
But it's not all so bad, I'm sure you are civilized enough to get beyond this and learn from it, however unlikely it would seem. you are harmless enough and tolerated it seems
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Originally posted by RJHindsSure dismiss the advice on some pretence that you made up, Paul was self sufficient and worked so as not to impose a burden on anyone . If you believe that you can be blunt and think that people will respond in appreciation then you need to think about your audience , for they are not a typical Baptist congregation used to fire and brimstone rhetorics.
Paul's advice is good for people like Paul, who had a public ministry and
depended on donations to support it. But like you say I do not have a public
ministry and do not want any donations so I believe I can be blunt and tell
it like it is. I care about presenting the truth and not winning a popularity
contest. If somebody can prove me wrong concerni a true
Christian passing on the truth of God and Christ, with the help of the Holy
Spirit.
Originally posted by RJHindsThe process is supposedly flawed yet you then state -
It was someone else that suggested the process must be flawed, I just agreed
with him. Maybe you should review both this and evolution and see where the
flaw is. I do not have access to your evaluation process so how should I know.
But for your information kingshill wrote me a message stating that according
to the evaluation being used practically ever ...[text shortened]... on is not science.
P.S. That means opinion is not proof in case you are slow to understand.
I do not have access to your evaluation process so how should I know.
You don't know how the data is evaluated yet it is flawed simply because someone else said so. 🙄🙄 Do you actually think before you type?
Later on today i'll be posting a full 20 game analysis of a 2200+ player from this site, he asked me if i could run a check on him. His percentages fall well within the limits.