Eternal suffering? Or eternal death?

Originally posted by divegeester to sonship
You just dipucked and dived and hoped it would all go away as you always do when represented with the strange stuff you've posted in the past.

I too have confronted sonship for dipucking in the past. He is an incorrigible dipucker.

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I will ask you directly.....did Jesus say, in His own words, that belief in Him is enough?

Or does He require more?

This point is critical, and matters, regarding the "free gift" theory.

It's not my fault that Rajk999 and ThinkOfOne have provided enough Bible verses on this forum to indicate that other writers of scripture may have offered conflicting statements to what Jesus actually said.

Originally posted by chaney3
I will ask you directly.....did Jesus say, in His own words, that belief in Him is enough?Or does He require more?

Have you not read any of the constant debates about this very issue that have been actively going on on this forum absolutely every single day, and in great scriptural detail, ever since the day you joined?

Originally posted by FMF
Have you not read any of the constant debates about this very issue that have been actively going on on this forum absolutely every single day, and in great scriptural detail, ever since the day you joined?

I was asking Dive.

And yes, I have been reading. If the matter was cleared up, I would not be asking today, would I?

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I don't have the Bible verses handy right now, but Jesus seems to be clear about the requirement for us to live sin free, or be doomed to hell. His words.

Those 'commands' from Jesus conflict with the notion that belief only is sufficient, even though He said both.

Doesn't that bother you?

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You are ignoring the rest of His message.

Are you purposely doing that?

Possibly because you don't like what He said?

Originally posted by chaney3
And yes, I have been reading. If the matter was cleared up, I would not be asking today, would I?

What makes you think you think the matter will be "cleared up"?

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I agree with this.
But is it correct?

Jesus has warned that if we are not obedient, then hell is where we go.

This issue is confusing me, and I should be able to share this confusion here.

Originally posted by FMF
What makes you think you think the matter will be "cleared up"?

Wishful thinking on my part.

Too many Bible verses exist, in the words of Jesus, that conflict with His own statement that 'belief' is enough for salvation.