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Originally posted by FMF
One thing that became clear from browsing through past threads; no one can credibly deny galveston75 is not "pessimistic and negative" about the human condition and state of the world - he posted incessantly on the subject over the last year. I have pieced together a series of snapshots. I think my characterization of galveston75's attitude towards the 'end time taken it over and curing all sickness and even death. "

wide of the mark? you have intimated through an attempted character
assassination that Galveston claims that God would arbitrarily obliterate and
pulverise everything

'He has expressed the WISH that Jesus come down and wipe everybody and
everything away,' - FMF,

when in fact he has merely presented what the Bible itself has stated,

what is more, through the character assassination attempt, you have
attempted to attribute these values to Galvestons personality, stating that he is the
most pessimistic and negative poster on RHP, when in fact all he has does is relate
what the Bible itself has stated.

Has it ever occurred to you that these events which herald forth a Christians
salvation may not appear pessimistic to those who through faith will see salvation?
That it may in fact, through the gloom and carnage be a sign of hope that ones
salvation is imminent? That being the case, it appears to me that although we may be
peering at the exact same scenario, it will appear completely differently to the
respective viewer. Paul himself alludes to the phenomena,

(2 Corinthians 2:14-16) But thanks be to God who always leads us in a triumphal
procession in company with the Christ and makes the odour of the knowledge of him
perceptible through us in every place! For to God we are a sweet odour of Christ
among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing; to the latter
ones an odour issuing from death to death, to the former ones an odour issuing from
life to life.

Paul makes reference to the Roman practice of holding a victory parade, to those
who return victorious it is a sweet smelling odour, to those who are being paraded
as captives it issues forth as a deathly odour. Yet all are part of the same parade.

Could it be FMF that this is what has transpired, that the Gman sees in the Biblical
prophecies of Christ's return a hope of salvation, yet to you they appear as
pessimism and negativity. who is to say whose vision is correct? and yet it is the
Gmans character that is being vilified.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Could it be FMF that this is what has transpired, that the Gman sees in the Biblical prophecies of Christ's return a hope of salvation, yet to you they appear as pessimism and negativity. who is to say whose vision is correct? and yet it is the Gman character that is being vilified.

I have no doubt that galveston75 has "hope of salvation". To me it is pessimism and negativity, however. There has been no "character assassination attempt" here. I wish galveston75 would exude positivity and optimism, but in my view he does not. He and I disagree about the human condition and the state of this world. This is a debate/discussion form, and we disagree.

Originally posted by FMF
I have no doubt that galveston75 has "hope of salvation". To me it is pessimism and negativity, however. There has been no "character assassination attempt" here. I wish galveston75 would exude positivity and optimism, but in my view he does not. He and I disagree about the human condition and the state of this world. This is a debate/discussion form, and we disagree.

Yes that is fine FMF, but the point is, that there are different perspectives of the same scenario and who is to say which perspective is optimistic and which is pessimistic.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes that is fine FMF, but the point is, that there are different perspectives of the same scenario and who is to say which perspective is optimistic and which is pessimistic.

Yes, robbie. My perspective is different from galveston75's perspective. Characterizing this difference of perspective as attempted "character assassination" on my part is not, in my view, a worthy contribution to this discussion.

Originally posted by FMF
Yes, robbie. My perspective is different from galveston75's perspective. Characterizing this difference of perspective as attempted "character assassination" on my part is not, in my view, a worthy contribution to this discussion.

ok, i agree, it was rather sensationalistic, never the less, attempts were made upon his character to portray it as something other than it is.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ok, i agree, it was rather sensationalistic, never the less, attempts were made upon his character to portray it as something other than it is.

I have successfully attempted to express my opinion and analysis in a discussion forum. And so has galveston75. You agree with me, or you agree with him, fine. It's your prerogative. There has been no "character assassination" here, and no "attack on personality", at least not on my part.

I think my characterization of galveston75's outlook stands and I believe I have substantiated it. I need not make any apology. And I don't need you to agree with me. Others will make what they will of my point of view.

Originally posted by FMF
I have successfully attempted to express my opinion and analysis in a discussion forum. And so has galveston75. You agree with me, or you agree with him, fine. It's your prerogative. There has been no "character assassination" here, and no "attack on personality", at least not on my part.

I think my characterization of galveston75's outlook stands and I belie ...[text shortened]... d I don't need you to agree with me. Others will make what they will of my point of view.

Fine, I don't agree and what is more I think there is a blurring of the distinction between Galvestons personality, terming him pessimistic and negative with the Bibles own description of events which he has simply displayed often with reference. Others can readily discern for themselves whether this is the case, if they know anything about it, that is. You should apologise.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Has it ever occurred to you that these events which herald forth a Christians salvation may not appear pessimistic to those who through faith will see salvation? That it may in fact, through the gloom and carnage be a sign of hope that ones salvation is imminent?

Pinning one's hopes for "salvation" on "billions of people" being swept away to perish and on all infrastructure being "wiped off the planet" because one has no confidence in humanity's ability to tackle its problems, can hardly be described as being "optimistic". One source of optimism for Jehovah's Witnesses could be the fact that their organization tells its members that they are the only people who have hope of not perishing. This, of course, is NOT a source of optimism for the "billions of people" who - according to your organization's doctrine - will perish, an event that galveston75 tells us he "can't wait for".

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Fine, I don't agree and what is more I think there is a blurring of the distinction between Galvestons personality, terming him pessimistic and negative with the Bibles own description of events which he has simply displayed often with reference. Others can readily discern for themselves whether this is the case, if they know anything about it, that is. You should apologise.

There has been no "character assassination" here, and no "attack on personality", at least not on my part. You're still trying to play the man rather than the ball.

Originally posted by FMF
Pinning one's hopes for "salvation" on "billions of people" being swept away to perish and on all infrastructure being "wiped off the planet" because you have no confidence in humanity's ability to tackle its problems, can hardly be described as being "optimistic". One source of optimism for Jehovah's Witnesses could be the fact that their organization tells it octrine - will perish, and event that galveston75 tells us he "can't wait for".

Again you seem to be failing to comprehend that these events are Biblical, that is why in the first instance you attributed them to Galvestons personality, terming him pessimistic and negative and now seek to state that they are somehow a product of Jehovahs witnesses. Please understand this idea, they are Biblical, it will save you from making similar erroneous assertions in the future, one hopes. I have already provided a Biblical example which demonstrates that two views of the same event may be diametrically opposed depending upon which stance or position one finds oneself in.

Originally posted by FMF
There has been no "character assassination" here, and no "attack on personality", at least not on my part. You're still trying to play the man rather than the ball.

I am sorry FMF, you termed Galveston the most negative and pessimistic contributor on RHP, that is a reference to his character.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Again you seem to be failing to comprehend that these events are Biblical, that is why in the first instance you attributed them to Galvestons personality, terming him pessimistic and negative and now seek to state that they are somehow a product of Jehovahs witnesses. Please understand this idea, they are Biblical, it will save you from making simi ...[text shortened]... event may be diametrically opposed depending upon which stance or position one finds oneself in.

I find yours and galveston75's views, your conceptualization of "these events", the bible's references to this matter, your interpretation of them, your views on the human condition, on the state of the world, your hopes, the teaching you subscribe to in this matter, the outlook of your organization, its attitude towards billions of people, and - at least - galveston75's impatience for the purported "great tribulation" to happen - all of it, everything about it - to be deeply, deeply pessimistic and negative. I am not "failing to comprehend" anything. I am absolutely clear about what you and he have explained and described and what I think of it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am sorry FMF, you termed Galveston the most negative and pessimistic contributor on RHP, that is a reference to his character.

It's a reference to the things he has stated on a public forum about the state of the world, about the human condition, and about what he says he "can't wait for". I am unaware of there being a more negative and pessimistic contributor on RHP on this issue.

Originally posted by FMF
I find yours and galveston75's views, your conceptualization of "these events", the bible's references to this matter, your interpretation of them, your views on the human condition, on the state of the world, your hopes, the teaching you subscribe to in this matter, the outlook of your organization, its attitude towards billions of people, and - at least - galv lutely clear about what you and he have explained and described and what I think of it.

Of course you would find it negative and pessimistic, just as if you were a captive in victory parade. You cannot be expected to sing happy birthday to you on Caesers birthday while at the same time entering the arena to fight for your life, can you.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Of course you would find it negative and pessimistic, just as if you were a captive in victory parade. You cannot be expected to sing happy birthday to you on Caesers birthday while at the same time entering the arena to fight for your life, can you.

Caesar who?