Originally posted by galveston75I don't subscribe to the same beliefs as you so I am not and cannot be "afraid" of the "great tribulation", which I see as superstitious nonsense. On the contrary I am optimistic about the world and positive about mankind's ability to face its challenges.
One of my viewpoints as to your motives for this statement you so much seem upset over, is maybe you are fearful that this cleanzing of the earth that God and his son will do that I have spoken of as you have posted so clearly here, maybe it is something you are afraid of?
Originally posted by FMFGood luck with that.....
I don't subscribe to the same beliefs as you so I am not and cannot be "afraid" of the "great tribulation", which I see as superstitious nonsense. On the contrary I am optimistic about the world and positive about mankind's ability to face its challenges.
Do you ever watch TV or listen to the radio, or even read the papers? And all is ok in the world with you?
The point is this is my view and the view of millions and millions of ones who are NOT even Jw's. I never go out into the world for my daily activiities and never once not hear someone say something to the effect like "what is going on in the world" or "things are going crazy" or I'm scared of this world and the way it is changing".
As I mentioned earlier the number 1 TV show here on a none major channel is the show "Preppers" which is on the Discovery Channel.
Perhaps the part of the world you live in is doing ok. If it is doing ok, enjoy it. But that is a long way from reality of the rest of the world.
So don't try and say things about my viewpoints on life that you have no idea why I feel that way. There has been ( 3 ) shootings here within a mile of my house these last two weeks with deaths in all three. That is reality dude.......
You were way off with this one buddy.
Perhaps you should open your eyes to the real world around you.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou seem to be having almost insurmountable difficulty accepting that I "see things differently" from you. I have shared my perspective with you and you have been trying to smear it as "character assassination" for page after page.
we can be like a bishop of the chess board, la fou, the French term it, because it only travels on a single colour, seeing everything from its own perspective, unable to transcend to another colour and see things differently.
Originally posted by galveston75Like I said, everything I have said about your viewpoints on the state of the world and the human condition has been a response to the content of your posts.
So don't try and say things about my viewpoints on life that you have no idea why I feel that way.
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Originally posted by FMFLol. I have the difficult time with your views? Uhhh I think your the one that started this whole discussion with your problems with my "pessimistic" views.
You seem to be having almost insurmountable difficulty accepting that I "see things differently" from you. I have shared my perspective with you and you have been trying to smear it as "character assassination" for page after page.
What a foolish thing to say.
Well you said you would appoligize if the statement you so boastfully made that I said.
You have completely failed in this attempt to discredit me, so I am waiting for this said apology.....
Are you a true gentleman and a man of his word? Well see....
Originally posted by galveston75I reckon my characterization of your stance on the End Times is quite faithful, which is something distinct from whether you like it or agree with it.
Well you said you would appoligize if the statement you so boastfully made that I said.
What the End Times are: billions of people to be swept away, humanity destroyed [as opposed to the earth itself], all infrustracture "wiped off the planet", it's "impending".
Attitude to the End Times: you don't think it's "a sin to be happy" about it, what a "great future" you believe you will have, how you "can't wait" for God and his son to bring it on, not deeply concerened [about all the world's infrastructure being destroyed].
Possible motivation for attitude: members of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization tell themselves they are the only people who have hope of not perishing.
As I said to robbie, I think my characterization rings true and that I have substantiated it with reference to your posts. I need not make an apology after all. And I don't need you to agree with me. Others will make what they will of my point of view.
Originally posted by FMFI knew from the first time you said you would apologise it was a joke.
I reckon my characterization of your stance on the End Times is quite faithful, which is something distinct from whether you like it or agree with it.
What the End Times are: billions of people to be swept away, humanity destroyed [as opposed to the earth itself], all infrustracture "wiped off the planet", it's "impending".
Attitude to the End Times: you ...[text shortened]... need you to agree with me. Others will make what they will of my point of view.
And you know it doesn't really matter what you think about the impending judgement on the earth and whether you believe it or not, does it? You are one tiny little human with your own little thoughts which is actually the way we all are.
God has promissed a plan to bring the earth back to a paradise and will give that to the humans that will be appreciative for it.
If you don't want it fine....
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Originally posted by galveston75On the contrary, it was not a joke. I offered to apologize if I could not substantiate what I had said about your views. See my long post near the bottom of page 15 where you will see I have substantiated it. I have no reason to apologize.
I knew from the first time you said you would apologise it was a joke.
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Originally posted by FMFOn the contrary it was I who brought the matter of differing perspectives of the same scenario to the forums attention. Nor is it a smear campaign for you attacked Galvestons character directly, stating that he is the most pessimistic and negative contributor on RHP. Will you now tell the forum why you have isolated and emphasised the idea of mass killing as being Galvestons motivation for desiring Gods Kingdom to come, something all Christians pray for? why have you not drawn attention to an end of wickedness and all that it encompasses, an end of injustice, an end of corruption, to greed and exploitation, why indeed you have isolated and emphasised the ensuing carnage and completely ignored these other factors? If that is not a character assassination, then what is it , FMF? at the very least its a bias, an unwillingness to see anything other than our own perspective, ironic considering that this is the very accusation you are making against me, despite the incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
You seem to be having almost insurmountable difficulty accepting that I "see things differently" from you. I have shared my perspective with you and you have been trying to smear it as "character assassination" for page after page.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAs I suggested, a possible motivation for galveston75's attitude [i.e. "can't wait for" the "great tribulation] is the fact that members of the Jehovah's Witnesses organization tell themselves they are the only people who have hope of not perishing.
Will you now tell the forum why you have isolated and emphasised the idea of mass killing as being Galvestons motivation for desiring Gods Kingdom to come, something all Christians pray for?
The Watchtower magazine citations are from 1993 and 1989 respectively:
"There are billions of people who do not know Jehovah. Many of them in ignorance practice things that God's Word shows to be wicked. If they persist in this course, they will be among those who perish during the great tribulation."
And: "Only Jehovah's Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil."
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBecause my perspective is different from yours. I believe that injustice, corruption, greed and exploitation are being tackled by humanity and I am optimistic. I don't believe there is going to be any "great tribulation" that will bring "an end of wickedness and all that it encompasses". I don't subscribe to these superstitions. I believe that mankind will face these challenges, and I find galveston75's certainty that mankind can't and his impatience for the purported "End Times" to be the epitome of negativity and pessimism. And I cannot think of any other RHP poster who is negativite and pessimistic as he is over these issues of the state of the world and the human condition.
why have you not drawn attention to an end of wickedness and all that it encompasses, an end of injustice, an end of corruption, to greed and exploitation, why indeed you have isolated and emphasised the ensuing carnage and completely ignored these other factors?