Evidence please

Originally posted by @suzianne
I probably should have come in here to weigh in on this topic before now, before the thread hit page 22. Not that it would have mattered to anybody, but even to me, I seem conspicuous by my absence in this thread, and I have said the same on this as divegeester many times before in this forum, much to the consternation of other Christians here. The fact ...[text shortened]... or the Guru Granth Sahib, or any other holy book. Because there can be no proof of God.

Wise man say, 'the bible is a sign post, not the final destination.'

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Wise man say, 'the bible is a sign post, not the final destination.'

That's exactly right, and I often take issue with those who would worship the Bible. And by that, I mean worshipping the book itself, not the God it describes. They do this in many ways, some seeking to justify their own behaviors, others seeking to control others. It's not a weapon to be used on others and it's not a pedestal one can use to exalt oneself, even though many try to use it in precisely these ways.

The Bible only points the way, as you say. It doesn't even drive you there and drop you off. It still requires some good-old interaction (decisions and actions) to be worth even the paper it's printed on.

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Pouting.

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You should get out more. I have personally heard countless testimonies from people who actually bothered to study the Bible. That is definitely not the only evidence. The Bible says the heavens declare the glory of God. Anyone with eyes to see that looks at the structured nature of the universe can see the handiwork of a designer. If a painting is evidence of a painter, surely a finely tuned universe is evidence of a designer? I'm not saying this 'evidence' is definitive proof by any stretch of the imagination but rather a sign or indication for anyone who is willing to follow where the evidence leads.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Anyone with eyes to see that looks at the structured nature of the universe can see the handiwork of a designer. If a painting is evidence of a painter, surely a finely tuned universe is evidence of a designer?.

Any religionist who believes in a creator can cite this as evidence of their beliefs. Do you believe it is evidence that supports only your religious beliefs?

Originally posted by @fmf
Any religionist who believes in a creator can cite this as evidence of their beliefs. Do you believe it is evidence that supports only your religious beliefs?

Of course they can. But if you take all other religions at face value do any of them have any religious figure that could compete with Jesus as the embodiment of truth?

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You would do well to follow your own advice. If you take all other religions at face value do any of them have any religious figure that could compete with Jesus as the embodiment of truth?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Of course they can. But if you take all other religions at face value do any of them have any religious figure that could compete with Jesus as the embodiment of truth?

This is a strange question. You're talking to a non-believer.

Why do you think I should frame it as some kind of popularity contest between whatever your superstitions happen to be, and whatever the superstitions of somebody from a different religion might happen to be?

As you know, I do not see Jesus as an "embodiment of truth" and therefore he is not in any kind of competition.

What a strange question. It's as if you have no idea what it means to be a non-believer. More evidence that you simply ignore the content of people's posts.

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I asked you the question and you responded with what someone else would say. That is a dodge.

Originally posted by @fmf
This is a strange question. You're talking to a non-believer.

Why do you think I should frame it as some kind of popularity contest between whatever your superstitions happen to be, and whatever the superstitions of somebody from a different religion might happen to be?

As you know, I do not see Jesus as an "embodiment of truth" and therefore he is not ...[text shortened]... means to be a non-believer. More evidence that you simply ignore the content of people's posts.

I am asking your opinion as a non-believer, if you took all religions at face value. I fully understand why you would dodge the question. Could it be intellectual dishonesty perhaps?