Evidence please

Originally posted by @dj2becker
I am asking your opinion as a non-believer, if you took all religions at face value. I fully understand why you would dodge the question. Could it be intellectual dishonesty perhaps?

I am not interested in a hypothetical popularity contest between religions that I have no reason to believe are revelations of god or gods. I see religions as being a product of culture and geography. As a non-believer, imagining myself to be a believer, I would assume I would find the religion I grew up with to be the "embodiment of truth".

Originally posted by @fmf
I am not interested in a hypothetical popularity contest between religions that I have no reason to believe are revelations of god or gods. I see religions as being a product of culture and geography. As a non-believer, imagining myself to be a believer, I would assume I would find the religion I grew up with to be the "embodiment of truth".

Of course it conveniently suits you not to be interested in answering my question honestly. I am not asking for a popularity contest, simply your honest evaluation if you have that in you.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Of course it conveniently suits you not to be interested in answering my question honestly. I am not asking for a popularity contest, simply your honest evaluation if you have that in you.

You used the word "compete". From my point of view there is no competition. I have no preference. I don’t think any religions reflect or embody a "true" revelation of any god or gods there may be. I think the Jesus-torturer god ideology is just as far-fetched as what the other retail religions offer. This is my honest evaluation and my honest response.

Originally posted by @fmf
You used the word "compete". From my point of view there is no competition. I have no preference. I don’t think any religions reflect or embody a "true" revelation of any god or gods there may be. I think the Jesus-torturer god ideology is just as far-fetched as what the other retail religions offer. This is my honest evaluation and my honest response.

So this God that you believe may be out there that has not communicated with any of us just created us for the heck of it and left us in the dark. When we die this God won't hold us accountable for anything we've done either? I'm sure your theory makes a lot more sense. 🙄

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So this God that you believe may be out there that has not communicated with any of us just created us for the heck of it and left us in the dark. I'm sure your theory makes a lot more sense. 🙄

There's nothing "dark" about it as far as I am concerned. I don't really need my lack of belief (superstition) to make sense to you personally. It doesn't make sense to some of my Muslim or Hindu friends either.

You seem to have a habit of ignoring whatever is said to you in discussions. Maybe if you listened more attentively, you might be able to understand where non-believers are coming from better.

If ever I start to feel you have credible information about any god there may be, I will let you know.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
When we die this God won't hold us accountable for anything we've done either?

If your belief in a god figure who holds you accountable - and who can burn you for eternity if it wants to - results in you behaving in a morally sound way, then that's a good thing for the people you interact with, I guess.

Originally posted by @suzianne
That's exactly right, and I often take issue with those who would worship the Bible. And by that, I mean worshipping the book itself, not the God it describes. They do this in many ways, some seeking to justify their own behaviors, others seeking to control others. It's not a weapon to be used on others and it's not a pedestal one can use to exalt onese ...[text shortened]... es some good-old interaction (decisions and actions) to be worth even the paper it's printed on.

Excellent post as was your one in this thread before it.

-Removed-

But it is "testimony".

And yes, that's different from "evidence".

Originally posted by @ragwort
Excellent post as was your one in this thread before it.

Thank you.

Originally posted by @fmf
There's nothing "dark" about it as far as I am concerned. I don't really need my lack of belief (superstition) to make sense to you personally. It doesn't make sense to some of my Muslim or Hindu friends either.

You seem to have a habit of ignoring whatever is said to you in discussions. Maybe if you listened more attentively, you might be able to understan ...[text shortened]... I start to feel you have credible information about any god there may be, I will let you know.

Which part of God making the effort to create us and then just leaving us on our own without communicating with us makes sense to you? I am not asking for it to make sense to me. What exactly have I ignored? You have a habit of saying I ignore what you say but you never seem to be able to point out exactly what it is that I have ignored.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
You have a habit of saying I ignore what you say but you never seem to be able to point out exactly what it is that I have ignored.

What I have to say is invariably in the posts that you studiously ignore.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Which part of God making the effort to create us and then just leaving us on our own without communicating with us makes sense to you?

I don't see what's wrong with this scenario.

Originally posted by @fmf
What I have to say is invariably in the posts that you studiously ignore.

Unless you can tell me exactly what it is that I have ignored your complaints are moot.

Originally posted by @fmf
I don't see what's wrong with this scenario.

Ok lets see how your version works. A God that is smart enough to create complex life and spiritual beings with a longing for the supernatural did that just to have us make up false gods and worship them while he looks down and laughs at us. Nothing wrong with that?