-Removed-Even secular historians agree that Jesus Christ existed and was crucified. Or do you dispute this? You do know, I assume, that the Bible relates historical events and is about real people who actually lived. Do you think events that represent the fulfillment of prophecies are only described in the Bible?
-Removed-I already answered this by saying I honestly don’t know. Certainly the writers of the Gospels were not Scripturally learned men as the Pharisees were so they may very well may not have known about the Old Testament prophecies. Even the Pharisees who were Scripturally learned men missed that the Messiah would be, not a conquering hero, but a suffering servant, even though Isaiah 53 is pretty clear on that.
-Removed-Which of the three is he suggesting? But I think it’s important to note that belief in God is always going to require a degree of faith - and it should.
How would an earthly father react if he promised his kid a new bike on his birthday and the kid, rather than accepting the promise on faith, demanded to see the father’s pay stubs, bank account records, monthly budget, job evaluation by his boss and on and on? The kid’s in no position to make those demands or expect them to be answered. How much less of a position are we, as mere mortals, in to demand proof from God?
Originally posted by @romans1009You have gone from you "honestly don't know" to you "certainly" know in the space of two sentences.
I already answered this by saying I honestly don’t know. Certainly the writers of the Gospels were not Scripturally learned men as the Pharisees were so they may very well may not have known about the Old Testament prophecies.
Originally posted by @fmfIt’s pretty clear to me you’re just interested in arguing and trying to get a rise out of me so I’m sure you’ll understand if I refrain from responding to you in the future (unless you want to actually engage in a substantive discussion or debate, but I won’t hold my breath as you’ve given no evidence of seeking that in exchanges with me to date.)
You have gone from you "honestly don't know" to you "certainly" know in the space of two sentences.
Originally posted by @romans1009On page 34, I asked you this: Were the people who very consciously created and finessed the new literature for the post-Judaism breakaway religion/cult of personality - during the decades and centuries after Jesus's execution - aware or unaware of the prophecies?
It’s pretty clear to me you’re just interested in arguing and trying to get a rise out of me so I’m sure you’ll understand if I refrain from responding to you in the future (unless you want to actually engage in a substantive discussion or debate, but I won’t hold my breath as you’ve given no evidence of seeking that in exchanges with me to date.)
On page 35, you answered like this: If by writers of the Bible, you’re referring to the New Testament, that’s a question that can’t be answered.
On page 37, when asked the same question, you answered that "certainly" the writers of the Gospels were not Scripturally learned men as the Pharisees were so they may very well may not have known about the Old Testament prophecies".
You said "certainly", I note.
What happened in your life between page 34 and page 37?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou say this, and yet a quick survey of your last month of posts shows that over 60% of your posts are addressed to me, and over 20% are addressed to divegeester. We have both called you out for your behaviour ~ which you have rejected and you have dismissed us both, at various times, as a 'waste of your time', and yet maybe as many as 85% of your posts in the last month or so have been addressed to us. Odd don't you think?
I might respond to your posts in the future if you demonstrate some intellectual integrity. You seem to have lost it. Whenever you are confronted with something you cannot answer you pretend to have answered it in the past. Now you are refusing to read posts. Talking to you seems to be a massive waste of my time. Take care FMF.
Originally posted by @fmfDo you know that the writers of the Gospels did not write the entirety of the New Testament - in fact they didn’t even come close?
On page 34, I asked you this: Were the people who very consciously created and finessed the new literature for the post-Judaism breakaway religion/cult of personality - during the decades and centuries after Jesus's execution - aware or unaware of the prophecies?
On page 35, you answered like this: If by writers of the Bible, you’re referring to the New Test ...[text shortened]... es".
You said "certainly", I note.
What happened in your life between page 34 and page 37?
Saul of Tarsus (later renamed Paul) wrote the majority of the New Testament and he was a Scripturally learned man and Pharisee before his conversion to Christianity on the Road to Damascus.
So the Gospel writers were not Scripturally learned men, but Paul was.
Originally posted by @romans1009Feel free to engage anything I said in the "discussion or debate" earlier on this thread.
I’m sure you’ll understand if I refrain from responding to you in the future (unless you want to actually engage in a substantive discussion or debate...
Originally posted by @romans1009The question was: What happened in your life between page 34 and page 37?
Do you know that the writers of the Gospels did not write the entirety of the New Testament - in fact they didn’t even come close?
Saul of Tarsus (later renamed Paul) wrote the majority of the New Testament and he was a Scripturally learned man and Pharisee before his conversion to Christianity on the Road to Damascus.
So the Gospel writers were not Scripturally learned men, but Paul was.
Originally posted by @romans1009So you believe that the Gospels made their way into the Biblical canons of the 5th Century without passing through the hands of writers, rewriters and editors who were versed in the Hebrew scriptures, would that be fair to say?
I really don’t see the contradiction unless you think the writers of the Gospels wrote the entire New Testament or you think that only the four Gospels comprise the New Testament.
Originally posted by @romans1009Is Hebrews 11:6 "evidence" of something or other?
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
(Hebrews 11:6)