Originally posted by @fmfI’ll answer this question after you’ve answered a few of my questions 🙂
So you believe that the Gospels made their way into the Biblical canons of the 5th Century [b]without passing through the hands of writers, rewriters and editors who were versed in the Hebrew scriptures, would that be fair to say?[/b]
Originally posted by @romans1009This was another one of dj2becker's punchlines. You haven't asked me anything that I haven't addressed already earlier on this thread. If your interest in what I think is genuine you only have to read this thread that we are on. This one.
I’ll answer this question after you’ve answered a few of my questions 🙂
Originally posted by @romans1009Can you explain how Hebrews 11:6 is "evidence" of your god figure's existence?
Yes, it references that proof of God’s existence will not be given - evidence, yes. Proof, no.
Originally posted by @fmfYou explained why early Christians willingly suffered persecution, torture and death for refusing to deny that they saw Jesus Christ post-crucifixion? You explained why they willingly died for something they knew was a lie?
This was another one of dj2becker's punchlines. You haven't asked me anything that I haven't addressed already earlier on this thread. If your interest in what I think is genuine you only have to read this thread that we are on. This one.
Originally posted by @romans1009I know from my reading over the years that there were early Christians who willingly suffered persecution, torture and death for refusing to accept that Jesus Christ was anything other than a mortal man. I'd be interested to hear from you what their willingness to die proves to you and me.
You explained why early Christians willingly suffered persecution, torture and death for refusing to deny that they saw Jesus Christ post-crucifixion? You explained why they willingly died for something they knew was a lie?
Originally posted by @romans1009I don't get what is supposed to be equivalent to the supernatural claims Christians make about their god figure and something or other about an earthly father promising his kid a new bicycle on his birthday or what similarity can be possibly drawn between the bicycle [whose existence can be proved] on one hand, and the promise of immortality in an afterlife [the existence of which cannot be proved] , on the other. You think this analogy is a good one? I seems like a complete dud to me.
It isn’t, nor was it meant to be. Hebrews 11:6 simply reinforces an earlier post of mine that involved an earthly father promising his kid a new bicycle on his birthday.
Originally posted by @fmfYou didn’t quite answer the question.
I know from my reading over the years that there were early Christians who willingly suffered persecution, torture and death for refusing to accept that Jesus Christ was anything other than a mortal man. I'd be interested to hear from you what their willingness to die proves to you and me.
Why die for something they knew was a lie?
Since you apparently already answered this question earlier in the thread, please let me know the page number your answer is on.
Originally posted by @romans1009Do you see Hebrews 11:6 as being "evidence" that proof of your god figure's existence will not be given? Is that what you mean?
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
(Hebrews 11:6)
Originally posted by @fmfIt has to do with the importance of faith and that lesser beings shouldn’t feel entitled to make demands upon greater beings.
I don't get what is supposed to be equivalent to the supernatural claims Christians make about their god figure and something or other about an earthly father promising his kid a new bicycle on his birthday or what similarity can be possibly drawn between the bicycle [whose existence can be proved] on one hand, and the promise of immortality in an afterlife [th ...[text shortened]... proved] , on the other. You think this analogy is a good one? I seems like a complete dud to me.
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Originally posted by @romans1009I have not claimed that it was "something they knew was a lie". You have introduced this notion, not me. dj2becker used exactly this gimmick on me about 6 months ago.
Why die for something they knew was a lie?
Why do people die for their religious beliefs? Religious fervour; strong conviction and faith; hysteria maybe; delusion; stories about them recanting but being executed anyway may have been airbrushed out of the Christian account; their sincerity, their certainty; fear of displeasing their god figure; the hope of pleasing their god figure; the courage of their convictions; there could be many reasons.
Islamic suicide bombers who lay down their lives because of their religious beliefs do not establish any "truth" regarding the things they believe in, or maybe you think they do.
Originally posted by @romans1009dj2becker posted this link a few months ago. In fact, he may have posted 50+ links from https://www.gotquestions.org, including when he was using a different screen name, Fetchmyjunk. I am not interested in your internet links, and in a gesture of reciprocity, I will not be posting any links for you either.
Here’s a link that addresses your earlier question I said I was going to hold off on answering:
https://www.gotquestions.org/original-Bible.html